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What type of postie are you?

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Re: What type of postie are you?

Post by norbert »

opgpat wrote:
peejay14 wrote: That I 'flooded this thread with narcissistic verbosity' in you words, is just your opinion
Yes it is! And many others too!!!
peejay14 wrote:and to me your argument there in support of dvbuk55 is pretty weak.
That's...'just your opinion'. :Very Happy
peejay14 wrote:Up until the point that dvbuk55 irritated me, none of my many (many) words were in any way offensive to anyone,
Oh right, well thanks for speaking for the whole membership of RMC chat there but actually a fair few things you have posted has been quite offensive to me.
peejay14 wrote: I hope that this online community does not exhibit the general behaviour of CWU members towards prospective members who remain unpersuaded, like me
That is a crass and completely unfair attack on all CWU members. I was deeply offended by that when I read it but let it go. HOW DARE you suggest CWU members in the workplace bully and threaten non-members to join. That is a disgusting lie.
peejay14 wrote: Guilty of deceit, my @rse!
That is a comment on my post where I said you have decieved us by comming on here pretending to be unsure about what to do re: IA but you suddenly turn out to be completely anti-CWU after a few days. Again I was offended by the obscenity as I didn't use one against you.

So peejay...you are not the inoffensive innocent poor guy who's being picked on that you claim to be are you? :no no ;liar
" interesting " point - wondered why there was all that suspicion ;liar - people aren't daft , they've seen & heard too much & been around too long - such is life on Planet RM
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Re: What type of postie are you?

Post by peejay14 »

I had hoped that the moderator's intervention on this thread would put an end to the attacks, but hey.
opgpat wrote:
peejay14 wrote: I hope that this online community does not exhibit the general behaviour of CWU members towards prospective members who remain unpersuaded, like me
That is a crass and completely unfair attack on all CWU members. I was deeply offended by that when I read it but let it go. HOW DARE you suggest CWU members in the workplace bully and threaten non-members to join. That is a disgusting lie.
If you read my comment there, what I say is that 'I hope that this online community DOES NOT exhibit the general behaviour of CWU members'.. I think you have looked at that comment in the wrong way, because it is not a criticism of the CWU in any way, rather I am hoping that the reaction of some members of this board to my views does not typify or represent the general treatment of prospective members by the CWU and its existing members, as I'm very sure it doesn't.

And where exactly did I suggest that, in your words, 'CWU members in the workplace bully and threaten non-members to join' ?
opgpat wrote:
peejay14 wrote: Guilty of deceit, my @rse!
That is a comment on my post where I said you have decieved us by comming on here pretending to be unsure about what to do re: IA but you suddenly turn out to be completely anti-CWU after a few days.
I am completely anti-CWU, am I ? W R O N G ! Quote me, and prove your allegation.
opgpat wrote:I was offended by the obscenity as I didn't use one against you.
But you h a v e wrongly and unfairly convicted me of l y i n g to the members of this board.

Compare the following, if you will:
dvbuk55 wrote:nobody gives a crap about your sycophantic ramblings... JC, PJ take some verbal Immodium or more to the point :silenced ... I'd abuse him for nothing... Not often I speak up for peejay but I have started printing his missives onto hard copy, not too hard mind, then when I go for a crap I have something worthy of being flushed down the bog... Tut tut peebrain, don't tell me you have had enough criticism of your painfully overlong, verbose opinions. Could you please post a few more today I think I've got diarrhoea coming on... we should just consider ourselves lucky we're not on his email list. Just imagine being on the next frame...
peejay14 wrote: I hope that this online community does not exhibit the general behaviour of CWU members towards prospective members who remain unpersuaded, like me
Which is more offensive?

Ok, look, in order to list dvbuk55's replies above, I had to speed-read through the whole thread. And after doing that I did not feel as upset as I thought I would. I have probably been treated fairly by most choosing to reply to me, considering that not many agreed with me. Also, if I had the time, I could have answered more of the positive replies that I got. I even think that at one point there was something like mutual respect between you and I! It was just dvbuk55's antagonism that I let get to me, yet even after reading all of his contributions I now feel less harshly treated than I did before. Overall, I'm not too disappointed by the reception my views got, but I still feel that a good few posties here do not like to believe that not all posties think along the lines of the CWU, and so prefer to paint me as some kind of fraud. And to prevent any more attacks, I will refrain from e-x-p-a-n-d-i-n-g on my points of view, which you are sore from reading.

Lastly,
opgpat wrote:So peejay...you are not the inoffensive innocent poor guy who's being picked on that you claim to be are you? :no no ;liar
If you say so.
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Re: What type of postie are you?

Post by dvbuk55 »

peejay14 wrote:I had hoped that the moderator's intervention on this thread would put an end to the attacks, but hey.
opgpat wrote:
peejay14 wrote: I hope that this online community does not exhibit the general behaviour of CWU members towards prospective members who remain unpersuaded, like me
That is a crass and completely unfair attack on all CWU members. I was deeply offended by that when I read it but let it go. HOW DARE you suggest CWU members in the workplace bully and threaten non-members to join. That is a disgusting lie.
If you read my comment there, what I say is that 'I hope that this online community DOES NOT exhibit the general behaviour of CWU members'.. I think you have looked at that comment in the wrong way, because it is not a criticism of the CWU in any way, rather I am hoping that the reaction of some members of this board to my views does not typify or represent the general treatment of prospective members by the CWU and its existing members, as I'm very sure it doesn't.

And where exactly did I suggest that, in your words, 'CWU members in the workplace bully and threaten non-members to join' ?
opgpat wrote:
peejay14 wrote: Guilty of deceit, my @rse!
That is a comment on my post where I said you have decieved us by comming on here pretending to be unsure about what to do re: IA but you suddenly turn out to be completely anti-CWU after a few days.
I am completely anti-CWU, am I ? W R O N G ! Quote me, and prove your allegation.
opgpat wrote:I was offended by the obscenity as I didn't use one against you.
But you h a v e wrongly and unfairly convicted me of l y i n g to the members of this board.

Compare the following, if you will:
dvbuk55 wrote:nobody gives a crap about your sycophantic ramblings... JC, PJ take some verbal Immodium or more to the point :silenced ... I'd abuse him for nothing... Not often I speak up for peejay but I have started printing his missives onto hard copy, not too hard mind, then when I go for a crap I have something worthy of being flushed down the bog... Tut tut peebrain, don't tell me you have had enough criticism of your painfully overlong, verbose opinions. Could you please post a few more today I think I've got diarrhoea coming on... we should just consider ourselves lucky we're not on his email list. Just imagine being on the next frame...
peejay14 wrote: I hope that this online community does not exhibit the general behaviour of CWU members towards prospective members who remain unpersuaded, like me
Which is more offensive?

Ok, look, in order to list dvbuk55's replies above, I had to speed-read through the whole thread. And after doing that I did not feel as upset as I thought I would. I have probably been treated fairly by most choosing to reply to me, considering that not many agreed with me. Also, if I had the time, I could have answered more of the positive replies that I got. I even think that at one point there was something like mutual respect between you and I! It was just dvbuk55's antagonism that I let get to me, yet even after reading all of his contributions I now feel less harshly treated than I did before. Overall, I'm not too disappointed by the reception my views got, but I still feel that a good few posties here do not like to believe that not all posties think along the lines of the CWU, and so prefer to paint me as some kind of fraud. And to prevent any more attacks, I will refrain from e-x-p-a-n-d-i-n-g on my points of view, which you are sore from reading.

Lastly,
opgpat wrote:So peejay...you are not the inoffensive innocent poor guy who's being picked on that you claim to be are you? :no no ;liar
If you say so.
C'mon peejay, be honest here, and before you start screaming this isn't a criticism for once, how long did it take you to type something like this? At one point in my life I was trained in telecommunications of a certain type and I'm no slouch on a keyboard but this post would have taken me a fair while to compose.
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Re: What type of postie are you?

Post by Stormproof »

I feel I've wasted 10 mins of my life reading this thread :cuppa
So keep on moving, moving, moving your feet
Keep on shuf-shuf-shuffling to this ghost dance beat
Just keep on walking down never ending streets


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Re: What type of postie are you?

Post by smokerjim »

Only ten minutes? You're a lucky bleeder, stormproof :crazy:
I don't suppose your mouth bleeds every 28 days, does it?

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Re: What type of postie are you?

Post by Pinky 1 »

Welcome to peejay's autobiography thread :crazy:
You're moaning about wasting 10 minutes of your life reading this, but what you've got to realise is,the lad has put in an aweful amount of work and effort into this thread.
25 posts so far, and counting :nervous
The least you can do is try and stay awake !

Now come on peejay, hit me with the next chapter my son :chuckle
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Re: What type of postie are you?

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Pinky 1 wrote:Now come on peejay, hit me with the next chapter my son :chuckle
NO, NO, NO!!! - PLEASE! :pray
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Re: What type of postie are you?

Post by peejay14 »

The focus did not need to turn on me, however I felt that to make such points as I have on here, I would need to try hard to explain myself and to convince you lot of my authenticity. I was proved right, after all, since hardly anyone on here has empathised with my position, and instead scrutinised me to the point of snapping. I thought that people might understand the position I found myself in, and that was being left standing in the office while everyone else walked out, and asking myself if I should follow the herd, questioning what type of postie I really was, facing questions that till that point I had found no time to properly consider. With no-one to talk to in the office (how would the strikers react to my uncertainty, during the strike? And how could I be seen by the strikers talking to the manager in secret?), I came on here looking for some answers and direction at a real turning-point in my career - would I be a striker, or a worker; a stark and immediate choice! I am not steeped in Royal Mail history, having come to the company only 18 months ago from a different background in the private sector. I was and still am sure that there were and still are many other posties in my position, but just not on here seemingly, or at least none as brave or foolish as I am to talk openly and honestly about the difficulties and doubts I had over the industrial action. I sought to hear the story from the picket line, I tried to raise a response from the convinced majority, but few were prepared to invest much time in my problems perhaps because it was so outside their sphere of CWU sympathy. And in the end, despite giving it a real go, I am leaving with my tail between my legs.
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Post by Pinky 1 »

Oh my God ...... it's an epilogue ..... :dance :dance

peejay, if you were to keep it short and to the point, i'm sure you could've learnt a lot more from your fellow "posties"
Never mind ......... :wave
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Re: What type of postie are you?

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peejay14 wrote:The focus did not need to turn on me, however I felt that to make such points as I have on here, I would need to try hard to explain myself and to convince you lot of my authenticity. I was proved right, after all, since hardly anyone on here has empathised with my position, and instead scrutinised me to the point of snapping. I thought that people might understand the position I found myself in, and that was being left standing in the office while everyone else walked out, and asking myself if I should follow the herd, questioning what type of postie I really was, facing questions that till that point I had found no time to properly consider. With no-one to talk to in the office (how would the strikers react to my uncertainty, during the strike? And how could I be seen by the strikers talking to the manager in secret?), I came on here looking for some answers and direction at a real turning-point in my career - would I be a striker, or a worker; a stark and immediate choice! I am not steeped in Royal Mail history, having come to the company only 18 months ago from a different background in the private sector. I was and still am sure that there were and still are many other posties in my position, but just not on here seemingly, or at least none as brave or foolish as I am to talk openly and honestly about the difficulties and doubts I had over the industrial action. I sought to hear the story from the picket line, I tried to raise a response from the convinced majority, but few were prepared to invest much time in my problems perhaps because it was so outside their sphere of CWU sympathy. And in the end, despite giving it a real go, I am leaving with my tail between my legs.

Postie or not :hmmmm in fairness some interesting points raised there.

Unfortunately when we become involved in strike action I cannot see how anyone can sit on the fence as you have to support one side or the other. The important thing to remember is that unless you are planning to join the management sector of the business you will be working with your colleagues well after the strike is over. On that basis i would not want to be the only one left in the office so I would support my colleagues and go on strike.

Peejay if you wanted to hear the true story from the picket line then the simple solution was to join it and learn first hand.

You say you have no one to talk to in your office. I actually find that a rather sad statement :sad: (I am not taking the p*ss) as I ve always found Royal Mail quite sociable and most people easy to get on with. If your ve worked there for 18 months without making friends with anyone perhaps you need to lighten up some, join in a few jokes and work on some social interaction with your work mates as the camaraderie between us is, in my opinion, is the most adhering part of the job and certainly the reason why I ve stayed so long.

Finally you often talk about your job in RM as your career. I suppose as it depends on your point of view but to be honest other than the management side I ve done all the jobs in my office over the past 20 years and hand on heart I could not call it a career. It’s just a job which pays the bills and keeps a roof over my head and that’s all I see it as, plain and simple.
If your looking for a career with the prospect to improving yourself (running for cover :oops: ) then perhaps you need to look into moving to a managerial grade which in fact you may find yourself more comfortable with and on the whole more satisfying for you. :Very Happy
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Re: What type of postie are you?

Post by peejay14 »

krussel wrote:You say you have no one to talk to in your office.
Correction: I had no-one to talk to about going on strike (just think of the trouble I would have caused, based on the reaction of most members on here to my views), apart from that I'll talk to just about anyone and share a laugh, however I am the quiet head-down sort of a guy normally, not on a par with some of the 'loud-mouths' who take most of the responsibility for keeping the office a vibrant and jovial place to work. I agree with you, that most of the posties who have lasted the years in our office are of a certain breed, generally quite out-spoken, always game for a laugh, and quite inconsiderate in who they choose to wind up - all in a spirit of camaraderie, until a manager reminds them of what they should and shouldn't be doing.

You seriously think that I would want to become someone so reviled in the office as a manager :shock: ?
krussel wrote:The important thing to remember is that unless you are planning to join the management sector of the business you will be working with your colleagues well after the strike is over. On that basis i would not want to be the only one left in the office so I would support my colleagues and go on strike.
Fear of colleagues? Not a strong enough reason to get off the fence; fear does not sway me. But rather than discount the majority decision to strike, I have really let the proposition of 'strike or don't strike' test me. I am looking at the positions taken by both company and employees, and I'm still trying to work out where I belong, even if I belong in the job at all? I am taking this seriously (maybe too seriously by dvbuk55's standards, see his criticisms above), because I do wish to make a career out of working for Royal Mail. And though, as you see it, there are limited opportunities to make a career with this company as long as you remain a postie, the way I see it, if the job does not change to suit my expectations then I will find a way of making it happen beyond any limitations that may be stopping the job from moving with the times. Because as I've already said in this thread, if the job does not move with the times, then it will be left behind.

I believe that if you want a career then you make one, and if this is the right job for me (you know that as soon as you wake up in the morning, depending on whether you are still motivated by the challenges of the job) then I will find a way of bringing change about that will keep the job future-proof. I will engage with my employer and strive to bring new ideas and ways to modernise the job forward, I will fight any signs of decay (is this an ad for a mouthwash ?!) for as long as I still believe in the job and what it achieves. I will fight to make the company keep me, I refuse to become redundant to the general public as long as Royal Mail has a service to offer. Yet, if the gloom and doom merchants are proven correct, and it is too late for invention and ingenuity to save the job, that redundancies are on the cards and the management are overseeing the slow euthanasia of the company, then I may well out-grow the job, despite my best efforts to make it work. I won't stand around and watch my chosen career dissipate before my eyes. When the ship is sinking, rearranging the deckchairs will bring temporary relief, but a freshening wind may find hope on the horizon.

I do ask myself if the up-and-coming generations will long suffer the institution that is the Royal Mail, and if the Royal Mail hasn't a serious image problem as well as its in-house problems, which have contributed of-late to the perception and image of the company that the public has. And in a way, being still young myself, within the institution I could be considered to be in the up-and-coming generation of posties, who will need to be ready for change, who are already facing change so early in their careers, and on whose ability to adapt the future of the Royal Mail may depend.
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Re: What type of postie are you?

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Pinky 1 wrote:Oh my God ...... it's an epilogue ..... :dance :dance

peejay, if you were to keep it short and to the point, i'm sure you could've learnt a lot more from your fellow "posties"
Never mind ......... :wave
It wasn't you who asked him a question was it ? :chuckle :shhhhh I hope he's not listening :silenced
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Re: What type of postie are you?

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Please sir, can I make some of my patented comments again :angel
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Yahoorsur wrote:There is no place for people in the 'modern world' - not free, thinking, self-realised self-respecting human beings. We are immiserated serfs, appetitive, craven, fearful, traitorous - without any grasp of history and the larger political stories which inform our position. We are cudgelled. And like good uncle tom's we love our oppressors. We cling to their knees and look up and grin our s**t-eating grins and say "thank you, master."

:hmmmm sounds like a couple of folk on here.
There is no place for people in the 'modern world' - not free, thinking, self-realised self-respecting human beings. You are an immiserated serf, appetitive, craven, fearful, traitorous - without any grasp of history and the larger political stories which inform our position. You are cudgelled. And like good uncle Tom you love your oppressor. You cling to their knees and look up and grin your s**t-eating grin and say "thank you, master."

sounds just like one person on here
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dvbuk55 wrote:
Pinky 1 wrote:Oh my God ...... it's an epilogue ..... :dance :dance

peejay, if you were to keep it short and to the point, i'm sure you could've learnt a lot more from your fellow "posties"
Never mind ......... :wave
It wasn't you who asked him a question was it ? :chuckle :shhhhh I hope he's not listening :silenced
Yep, i asked for it, and i got it ! :arrrghhh
DGP ........ fire away :chuckle
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