London CWU Update on Talks

gb93 · Post by **gb93** » 09 Jan 2018, 18:07

What do people really expect. Royal Mail to just roll over on every demand every individual on here makes.
People need to wake up & accept they are not going to like every detail about a deal but that it will be a damn sight better because of our union & sticking together what Royal Mail would love to impose on us without a union.

slinder123 · Post by **slinder123** » 09 Jan 2018, 18:09

so our two year pay rise starts 2017 great deal

gb93 · Post by **gb93** » 09 Jan 2018, 18:16

slinder123 wrote:so our two year pay rise starts from april 2018 so fk all for 2017 thankyou cwu great deal

How do you come to that conclusion ?

Your late today · Post by **Your late today** » 09 Jan 2018, 18:18

There is an hour off the working week and for part timers this is the equivalent of 2.6% pay rise.
Might be the equivalent of a 2.6% pay rise but you won’t see it in your pay and you’ll still be delivering the same amount of mail or sorry mails down

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 09 Jan 2018, 18:20

Ok dingo

I'm real enough to understand that this agreement hasn't gone nearly as far enough for the Royal Mail, which is why I think the CWU need to be a bit bolder and try and hammer out a 5 year agreement.

Also, if resourcing is bad now what is it going to be like when staff start later because there absolutely has to be more automation and fewer staff doing bigger outdoor deliveries?? I'm not normally a glass half empty type but I know Royal Mail too well. The moment we get a pay rise; senior managers will use that to try and get its managers to force us into working faster, harder and more efficiently - and I would argue that most of its staff are already doing that now by coming in hours early and working through their breaks....

seaside · Post by **seaside** » 09 Jan 2018, 18:22

No APRIL 2017, so would be backdated.

BeamishStout · Post by **BeamishStout** » 09 Jan 2018, 18:22

I am quite optimistic about Dingo's post and can understand his frustration but also understand the scepticism from others as well. We shall have to wait and see the detail - the devil is in it!

But I am sure that whatever progress has been made would not have been made without the massive vote supporting the union for IA

gb93 · Post by **gb93** » 09 Jan 2018, 18:24

Your late today wrote:There is an hour off the working week and for part timers this is the equivalent of 2.6% pay rise.
Might be the equivalent of a 2.6% pay rise but you won’t see it in your pay and you’ll still be delivering the same amount of mail or sorry mails down

Explain how a pt will not see it in their pay

Your late today · Post by **Your late today** » 09 Jan 2018, 18:28

gb93 wrote:
Your late today wrote:There is an hour off the working week and for part timers this is the equivalent of 2.6% pay rise.
Might be the equivalent of a 2.6% pay rise but you won’t see it in your pay and you’ll still be delivering the same amount of mail or sorry mails down
Explain how a pt will not see it in their pay

I thought your pay stays the same but you do an hour less, sorry if I got it wrong but until we get the details it’s all guess work

Celtic Postman · Post by **Celtic Postman** » 09 Jan 2018, 18:34

Your late today wrote:
gb93 wrote:
Your late today wrote:There is an hour off the working week and for part timers this is the equivalent of 2.6% pay rise.
Might be the equivalent of a 2.6% pay rise but you won’t see it in your pay and you’ll still be delivering the same amount of mail or sorry mails down
Explain how a pt will not see it in their pay
I thought your pay stays the same but you do an hour less, sorry if I got it wrong but until we get the details it’s all guess work

No your wrong,

A PT workers hours will stay the same (If your 25 now you will be 25 hrs after the agreement if accepted) But your pay will go up to reflect the difference between full time hours and the hours you do.

In laymans terms everyone's hourly rate goes up so you get more money for your hours worked.

gb93 · Post by **gb93** » 09 Jan 2018, 18:35

Your late today wrote:
gb93 wrote:
Your late today wrote:There is an hour off the working week and for part timers this is the equivalent of 2.6% pay rise.
Might be the equivalent of a 2.6% pay rise but you won’t see it in your pay and you’ll still be delivering the same amount of mail or sorry mails down
Explain how a pt will not see it in their pay
I thought your pay stays the same but you do an hour less, sorry if I got it wrong but until we get the details it’s all guess work

Yeah that is right for a full timer but the hourly rate goes up meaning as part timers don't get an hour off their working week they will get an extra pay rise. Plus of course overtime rates will rise for full timers

nudenut · Post by **nudenut** » 09 Jan 2018, 18:37

seaside wrote:No APRIL 2017, so would be backdated.

Personally I would like a lump sum back dated to April 2017 and more pay . I don't care about shorter week ... sorry it's just my opinion .

Your late today · Post by **Your late today** » 09 Jan 2018, 18:38

Thanks for the info I understand it now.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 09 Jan 2018, 18:38

wonder which talks will last the longest. union/employer or Newcastle united takeover talks.

gb93 · Post by **gb93** » 09 Jan 2018, 18:48

nudenut wrote:
seaside wrote:No APRIL 2017, so would be backdated.
Personally I would like a lump sum back dated to April 2017 and more pay . I don't care about shorter week ... sorry it's just my opinion .

Just say we do get 2.6% for from April 2017 as mediator recommended that will equate to a lump sum of around £500 when it is backdated for a full timer.