TrueBlueTerrier wrote:If the CWU can get more members within TNT than the psuedo Union - then it may be possible to combine their industrial strength in any dispute and perhaps help in bringing TNT workers up to our T&Cs rather than us down to them. Solidarity is not just a word its an ethos.
Really? You don't see a conflict of interest here -
No
RMT has members in London Underground, Bus Companies, Train Companies and even Taxi firms, and not just in London they have members across the UK and some members are in business which are in competition with each other,
If you find a train, bus or taxi belting down the underground send me a picture
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:If the CWU can get more members within TNT than the psuedo Union - then it may be possible to combine their industrial strength in any dispute and perhaps help in bringing TNT workers up to our T&Cs rather than us down to them. Solidarity is not just a word its an ethos.
Really? You don't see a conflict of interest here -
No
RMT has members in London Underground, Bus Companies, Train Companies and even Taxi firms, and not just in London they have members across the UK and some members are in business which are in competition with each other,
If you find a train, bus or taxi belting down the underground send me a picture
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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:If the CWU can get more members within TNT than the psuedo Union - then it may be possible to combine their industrial strength in any dispute and perhaps help in bringing TNT workers up to our T&Cs rather than us down to them. Solidarity is not just a word its an ethos.
Really? You don't see a conflict of interest here -
No
RMT has members in London Underground, Bus Companies, Train Companies and even Taxi firms, and not just in London they have members across the UK and some members are in business which are in competition with each other,
If you find a train, bus or taxi belting down the underground send me a picture
No I highlighted the word some to point out you took my post too literally.
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In addition, for the first time, every letter is scanned, with a track and trace service to the door.
Can you imagine how long our present rounds would take if we had to do that? If this is indeed true then I dare say they have faster and more reliable equipment than we have. You also have to wonder if TNT will continue to shove their pkts to us via downstream access.
The PDA's we currently operate with are absolute gash......it's a joke ...while the hierarchy claim to be taking the business into to 21st century we are given Stone Age equipment to use
It's a joke when the catalogue guy or TNT guy has a decent bit of kit that captures your signature at the first attempt..and after giving in you have to resort to writing or sticking the barcode on a P739 card....."just sign next t'barcode love"
I spotted a couple of TNT guys working a small residential area here last year. Don't think they were doing door drops because the two were working together, in full uniform with trolleys.
Have they been delivering mail in Scotland for a while now?
This is Liverpool's LABOUR Mayor who seems quite proud about the fact that he 'invited' TNT to set up in Liverpool, creating an alleged 500 jobs.
What Labours Mayoral PR machine doesn't tell you is that this now puts 800 Royal Mail jobs including my own in jeopardy! The Mayor stated in a Radio interview with BBC Radio Merseyside, that his office helped to facilitate TNT coming here and gave 'assistance' from the 'Mayoral Fund' and a premises to operate from.
The EU Directives on the 'Liberalisation of Postal Markets' FORBID any such assistance from PUBLIC funded bodies whether directly or indirectly as STATE AID! It is in direct breach therefore of EU Directives on 'Fairness policy' if this is the case.
This is yet another example of LABOUR not giving a 'stuff' about workers & trade union members by openly endorsing, promoting and advertising a PRIVATE FOREIGN OWNED MULTI NATIONAL COMPETITOR WHICH HAS AN AGENDA TO 'DESTROY' JOBS & DAMAGAE ROYAL MAIL, by actions such as this and by giving 'DSA' CONTRACTS for council mail to rival companies to process OUTSIDE of the local area, then dump it on Royal Mail to deliver with even LESS revenue to support existing jobs, which gave local people disposable income to spend in the local economy.
Of course, I welcome new jobs, BUT NOT WHEN 'FAIRNESS' RULES ARE 'BROKEN' AND IT PUTS BETTER PAID & CONDITIONED JOBS AT RISK!
IS THAT NOT SOMETHING THAT THE 'PARTY OF THE UNIONS' HAS ALWAYS FOUGHT TO KEEP & EXPAND ON? PAY & CONDITIONS?
YET WE HAVE THAT SAME SAID PARTY OPENLY ENDORSING,
'THE RACE TO THE BOTTOM!'
Not sorry Mr. Mayor, but this 'deal' needs top be 'returned to sender!'
This puts OUR JOBS at risk by taking AWAY the very work that Royal Mail has always done & at a fair price and a 'rebated' price for business.
Royal Mail profits went to the Treasury to support the welfare of this country.
TNT's profit from this will most likely go across the Channel to support the failing TNT Dutch operation, meaning that, that money is 'LOST FROM OUR LOCAL ECONOMY!'
That is NOT good for business in anyone's language!
janitor wrote:It could be said that telephones compete with mail, so do we ban BT and mobile company workers from the CWU as well.
It could be said emails are in competition too but I don't recall a BT worker popping a bill through my door nor a laptop. We are talking like for like in essence, feet on pavement hand through letter box - just not as frequently. As for transport............well lets see a train drop me at my door.
dvbuk55 wrote: I say again what are we going to do about it .............it may even be part of the AFG 2014 how would we know?
Moya has been lobbying MPs and the business is writing a stern letter to Ofcom asking them to put a stop to all TNTs naughty cherry-picking.
And that I think is about it.
Oh and we are getting rid of about 1300 non operational managers.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
Brain Fury wrote:It's very dangerous to be complacent about TNTs aspirations or capabilities. Or to expect OFCOM to do anything to stop them. Glasgow soon.
Exactly what are we going to do about it both as employees and union members, particularly union members when the CWU is recruiting TNT staff to boost membership from falling numbers in RM? It's inevitable that parts of delivery will be cherry picked. Perhaps RM will take a leaf out of TNTs modus operandi and do three day alternate deliveries - who knows. I say again what are we going to do about it .............it may even be part of the AFG 2014 how would we know?
If the CWU can get more members within TNT than the psuedo Union - then it may be possible to combine their industrial strength in any dispute and perhaps help in bringing TNT workers up to our T&Cs rather than us down to them. Solidarity is not just a word its an ethos.
This is Liverpool's LABOUR Mayor who seems quite proud about the fact that he 'invited' TNT to set up in Liverpool, creating an alleged 500 jobs.
What Labours Mayoral PR machine doesn't tell you is that this now puts 800 Royal Mail jobs including my own in jeopardy! The Mayor stated in a Radio interview with BBC Radio Merseyside, that his office helped to facilitate TNT coming here and gave 'assistance' from the 'Mayoral Fund' and a premises to operate from.
The EU Directives on the 'Liberalisation of Postal Markets' FORBID any such assistance from PUBLIC funded bodies whether directly or indirectly as STATE AID! It is in direct breach therefore of EU Directives on 'Fairness policy' if this is the case.
This is yet another example of LABOUR not giving a 'stuff' about workers & trade union members by openly endorsing, promoting and advertising a PRIVATE FOREIGN OWNED MULTI NATIONAL COMPETITOR WHICH HAS AN AGENDA TO 'DESTROY' JOBS & DAMAGAE ROYAL MAIL, by actions such as this and by giving 'DSA' CONTRACTS for council mail to rival companies to process OUTSIDE of the local area, then dump it on Royal Mail to deliver with even LESS revenue to support existing jobs, which gave local people disposable income to spend in the local economy.
Of course, I welcome new jobs, BUT NOT WHEN 'FAIRNESS' RULES ARE 'BROKEN' AND IT PUTS BETTER PAID & CONDITIONED JOBS AT RISK!
IS THAT NOT SOMETHING THAT THE 'PARTY OF THE UNIONS' HAS ALWAYS FOUGHT TO KEEP & EXPAND ON? PAY & CONDITIONS?
YET WE HAVE THAT SAME SAID PARTY OPENLY ENDORSING,
'THE RACE TO THE BOTTOM!'
Not sorry Mr. Mayor, but this 'deal' needs top be 'returned to sender!'
This puts OUR JOBS at risk by taking AWAY the very work that Royal Mail has always done & at a fair price and a 'rebated' price for business.
Royal Mail profits went to the Treasury to support the welfare of this country.
TNT's profit from this will most likely go across the Channel to support the failing TNT Dutch operation, meaning that, that money is 'LOST FROM OUR LOCAL ECONOMY!'
That is NOT good for business in anyone's language!
That man or woman should be running for Mayor against Anderson, classic champagne socialist.
dvbuk55 wrote: I say again what are we going to do about it .............it may even be part of the AFG 2014 how would we know?
Moya has been lobbying MPs and the business is writing a stern letter to Ofcom asking them to put a stop to all TNTs naughty cherry-picking.
And that I think is about it.
Oh and we are getting rid of about 1300 non operational managers.
aye, they are world class mail managers ( or ''continued efficiency programme ) as its now known. also they are dropping cwu people who are involved with it. squeeky bum time for some then.
Brain Fury wrote:It's very dangerous to be complacent about TNTs aspirations or capabilities. Or to expect OFCOM to do anything to stop them. Glasgow soon.
Exactly what are we going to do about it both as employees and union members, particularly union members when the CWU is recruiting TNT staff to boost membership from falling numbers in RM? It's inevitable that parts of delivery will be cherry picked. Perhaps RM will take a leaf out of TNTs modus operandi and do three day alternate deliveries - who knows. I say again what are we going to do about it .............it may even be part of the AFG 2014 how would we know?
RM would surely like to take a leaf out of TNTs modus operandi and pay us all the minimum wage.
Really? You don't see a conflict of interest here -
then it may be possible to combine their industrial strength in any dispute and perhaps help in bringing TNT workers up to our T&Cs rather than us down to them. Solidarity is not just a word its an ethos.