You can accept there is a decline in letters ?,but a massive amount of junk mail ?Junk mail is mail so there cant be a fall in mail .RoyalSlave69 wrote:I can accept that there is a decline in letters. But this decline has been replaced with massive amounts of junk mail.
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managing the decline of letters???
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WHITEANT
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Re: managing the decline of letters???
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RoyalSlave69
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Re: managing the decline of letters???
Letter - a written or printed form of communication. (Generally well received by customers)
Junk mail - unsolicited commercial mail, advertisements & flyers. (Generally not well received by customers)
We are told that the number of letters sent has dropped. I agree.
But it's obvious that the amount of junk mail has increased.
I'm not saying there is a fall in mail.
Junk mail - unsolicited commercial mail, advertisements & flyers. (Generally not well received by customers)
We are told that the number of letters sent has dropped. I agree.
But it's obvious that the amount of junk mail has increased.
I'm not saying there is a fall in mail.
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WHITEANT
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Re: managing the decline of letters???
The point i am making is Royal is whether its junk or mail we still have to deliver
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Patrick301
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Re: managing the decline of letters???
must be tough on the walks now
when i was a walkman in the 80s
most of us would only have 1 pouch , the odd one would have a drop bag
in the house about 9 for a 2 hour breakfast break
back at 11 for the handful of stamped mail
drive round for 20 minutes
and back in the house before 12
it was a hard life
when i was a walkman in the 80s
most of us would only have 1 pouch , the odd one would have a drop bag
in the house about 9 for a 2 hour breakfast break
back at 11 for the handful of stamped mail
drive round for 20 minutes
and back in the house before 12
it was a hard life
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hampshireman
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Re: managing the decline of letters???
The decline in mail is a myth as well as a truth.
The overall volume of mail has declined . Maybe D2D's have increased. Probably still would not match the decline.
What has changed is where you deliver. So, if your walk has increased over the 'mail declining' years. What is the upshot?
You deliver more mail as the expanse of you walk has grown. Your workload has increased but mail has 'decreased'
RM therefore are correct .. but realality is different.
BTW: I'm sure that somewhere I read something from Moya that agreed with me.
The overall volume of mail has declined . Maybe D2D's have increased. Probably still would not match the decline.
What has changed is where you deliver. So, if your walk has increased over the 'mail declining' years. What is the upshot?
You deliver more mail as the expanse of you walk has grown. Your workload has increased but mail has 'decreased'
RM therefore are correct .. but realality is different.
BTW: I'm sure that somewhere I read something from Moya that agreed with me.
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clashcityrocker
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Re: managing the decline of letters???
And that also is a delivery-centric viewpoint.
The decline in letters is almost certainly more evident in a Mail Centre.
The decline in letters is almost certainly more evident in a Mail Centre.
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hampshireman
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Would not disagrre with that at all.clashcityrocker wrote:And that also is a delivery-centric viewpoint.
The decline in letters is almost certainly more evident in a Mail Centre.
The point being that if you expand walks to 'handle' the decline (and of course expand them overly) then in the Posties eyes they are not delivering a reduced amount. So, the decline is negated.
The reduction in mail volumes is only part of the equation. If I have one letter (or D2D ) for a house , I have to go there. If I have 10 letters I have to go there.
I actually don't care anymore as my time is worked (I might do a bit of OT but minimal) and I cut as necessary.
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trythat
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Re: managing the decline of letters???
Unless your call rate goes down, then you're still delivering to the same or more houses. Doesn't matter wether you go up with 1 letter or 5 letters, it takes roughly the same amount of time to do the delivery.
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fishtank
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Re: managing the decline of letters???
Funnily enough that's exactly the argument managers used when volumes were increasing during the "boom" period.hampshireman wrote: If I have one letter (or D2D ) for a house , I have to go there. If I have 10 letters I have to go there.
You don't hear it mentioned much now.
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
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WHITEANT
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Re: managing the decline of letters???
Unless of coarse hes a manager 
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motch
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and walks taken out of offices to account for slight declines/revisions, + more d2ds as you say and lots more packets/parcels.RoyalSlave69 wrote:I can accept that there is a decline in letters. But this decline has been replaced with massive amounts of junk mail.
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hampshireman
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Who?WHITEANT wrote:Unless of coarse hes a manager
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ShropshireLad
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Re: managing the decline of letters???
While I've got no time for the Tories, let's not forget that it was Blair's Labour government, and that great working-class socialist and man of the people - Mandelson, who first tried to privatise RM. Even Thatcher fought shy of privatisiing the Post Office. it was also Blair who opened up the UK postal market to competition years before he needed to.mailman71 wrote:spot on,the tories have been wanting us privatised for years but the thing is a lot of their voters stay in the countryside and they would be the ones to get a worse service and as for the letters in decline what a joke if they told you it was raining you would go outside and check.TheCobra wrote:Exactly, right-wing bullshit, we should fight this to the end. Mis-information and downright lies.DirtyHarry wrote:We, and the public, are being deliberately mis-informed. In other words, to suit the right-wing privitisation brigade, the 'all public services are bad, all privateers good, profits before service,' we are all being lied to by the scumbags.
What will happen if we get privatised? Either of these 2 scenarios, we will have our wages drop:
Scenario 1, worst case: We will be forced to take a wage cut to £7.50 an hour would be my estimate based on other companies. If we don't do this we will have a certain time period to get out, e.g. 90 days.
Scenario 2, best case: They will freeze all wages of people currently emplyed at higher rate. Newbies will be brought in at lower rate of £7.50. they will try and 'gradually phase out' the people on higher money, as in the way they are trying to screw over all the people currently on decent permanent contracts at the moment.
Either way we're screwed. f**k the Tories. Right wing pigs. All this so that a bunch of fat cats at the top can cream off the profits, while us lot at the bottom go home with less pay and live our lives much worse off. Classic Tory politics. Make the majority poorer, make a minority richer.
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k979aaa
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Re: managing the decline of letters???
I just get told to leave all the packets as I cannot manage the decline in mail volumes on a day to day basis neither can the rest of us all!.
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TheCobra
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Re: managing the decline of letters???
Fair point mate, Labour have gone more over to the middle in recent years, especially under Blair as you said. I they can move a bit back over to the left I feel they will be in a prime position to mop up voters for the next election, so long as they don't make Britiain the soft touch of the world again.ShropshireLad wrote:While I've got no time for the Tories, let's not forget that it was Blair's Labour government, and that great working-class socialist and man of the people - Mandelson, who first tried to privatise RM. Even Thatcher fought shy of privatisiing the Post Office. it was also Blair who opened up the UK postal market to competition years before he needed to.mailman71 wrote:spot on,the tories have been wanting us privatised for years but the thing is a lot of their voters stay in the countryside and they would be the ones to get a worse service and as for the letters in decline what a joke if they told you it was raining you would go outside and check.TheCobra wrote:Exactly, right-wing bullshit, we should fight this to the end. Mis-information and downright lies.DirtyHarry wrote:We, and the public, are being deliberately mis-informed. In other words, to suit the right-wing privitisation brigade, the 'all public services are bad, all privateers good, profits before service,' we are all being lied to by the scumbags.
What will happen if we get privatised? Either of these 2 scenarios, we will have our wages drop:
Scenario 1, worst case: We will be forced to take a wage cut to £7.50 an hour would be my estimate based on other companies. If we don't do this we will have a certain time period to get out, e.g. 90 days.
Scenario 2, best case: They will freeze all wages of people currently emplyed at higher rate. Newbies will be brought in at lower rate of £7.50. they will try and 'gradually phase out' the people on higher money, as in the way they are trying to screw over all the people currently on decent permanent contracts at the moment.
Either way we're screwed. f**k the Tories. Right wing pigs. All this so that a bunch of fat cats at the top can cream off the profits, while us lot at the bottom go home with less pay and live our lives much worse off. Classic Tory politics. Make the majority poorer, make a minority richer.