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Does Park & Loop work?

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Re: Does Park & Loop work?

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tiggle wrote:
Regal wrote:It all depends who you are matched with. For instance matching up a 20 year old man with a 55 year old woman with bad knees aint gonna work. Hence the reason late returns to office or dropped bags due to over-running delivery. But if you get paired up with someone who walks at the same speed as you, it works, and it aint too bad. But hey, its summer, it wont work in the winter!
if everyone uses a LWT it shouldn't matter how old or young you are, but they don't,so it does
Of course it 'matters' how old you are, with, or without a trolley. Outside factors for one, like heat, play a large part and is likely to hit our older colleagues much more. Deliveries are no longer 3.5 hours and people are outside for longer and during the hotest part of the day.

I take no pleasure in saying so but there will eventually be casualties.
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Re: Does Park & Loop work?

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tiggle wrote:
Regal wrote:It all depends who you are matched with. For instance matching up a 20 year old man with a 55 year old woman with bad knees aint gonna work. Hence the reason late returns to office or dropped bags due to over-running delivery. But if you get paired up with someone who walks at the same speed as you, it works, and it aint too bad. But hey, its summer, it wont work in the winter!
if everyne uses lwt it shouldn't matter how old or young you are, but they don't,so it does
It shouldn't matter either way.
There is an acceptable standard and that standard should be achievable whether you are 20 or 60.
Anyone who works above that acceptable standard is a clown since there is now no incentive to do so.
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Re: Does Park & Loop work?

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fishtank wrote:
tiggle wrote:
Regal wrote:It all depends who you are matched with. For instance matching up a 20 year old man with a 55 year old woman with bad knees aint gonna work. Hence the reason late returns to office or dropped bags due to over-running delivery. But if you get paired up with someone who walks at the same speed as you, it works, and it aint too bad. But hey, its summer, it wont work in the winter!
if everyne uses lwt it shouldn't matter how old or young you are, but they don't,so it does
It shouldn't matter either way.
There is an acceptable standard and that standard should be achievable whether you are 20 or 60.
Anyone who works above that acceptable standard is a clown since there is now no incentive to do so.
Quite correct, however Line Managers do not sing from this particular hymn sheet Fish. :mad

Either way, with park and loop, it's hard to see a 60 year old coming back before a 20 year old colleague. That means dead time while they sync.
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Re: Does Park & Loop work?

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fishtank wrote:
tiggle wrote:
Regal wrote:It all depends who you are matched with. For instance matching up a 20 year old man with a 55 year old woman with bad knees aint gonna work. Hence the reason late returns to office or dropped bags due to over-running delivery. But if you get paired up with someone who walks at the same speed as you, it works, and it aint too bad. But hey, its summer, it wont work in the winter!
if everyne uses lwt it shouldn't matter how old or young you are, but they don't,so it does
It shouldn't matter either way.
There is an acceptable standard and that standard should be achievable whether you are 20 or 60.
Anyone who works above that acceptable standard is a clown since there is now no incentive to do so.
That could well change with the current negotiations - it could go something like:

RM: - we want you to get your members to do whatever we say and we might give you something if we feel like it

HQ: - OK

There we are that didn't take long..................... :cool
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Re: Does Park & Loop work?

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Pat Ostman wrote:
Either way, with park and loop, it's hard to see a 60 year old coming back before a 20 year old colleague. That means dead time while they sync.
With 2 keys to the van and a little planning ( :chuckle ) they shouldn't need too much syncing.
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Re: Does Park & Loop work?

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clashcityrocker wrote:
Pat Ostman wrote:
Either way, with park and loop, it's hard to see a 60 year old coming back before a 20 year old colleague. That means dead time while they sync.
With 2 keys to the van and a little planning ( :chuckle ) they shouldn't need too much syncing.
In my experience having two keys makes little difference.
You can't move the van or deliver the next loop until your partner returns so all you can do is ready the next loop...which takes about 30 seconds. :neutral:
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Re: Does Park & Loop work?

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fishtank wrote:
In my experience having two keys makes little difference.
You can't move the van or deliver the next loop until your partner returns so all you can do is ready the next loop...which takes about 30 seconds. :neutral:
That depends on the size of the geographical area you cover and the number of available parking spaces.
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Re: Does Park & Loop work?

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clashcityrocker wrote:
fishtank wrote:
In my experience having two keys makes little difference.
You can't move the van or deliver the next loop until your partner returns so all you can do is ready the next loop...which takes about 30 seconds. :neutral:
That depends on the size of the geographical area you cover and the number of available parking spaces.
I'm confused but it may be sunstroke...what do you mean?
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Re: Does Park & Loop work?

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If it involves, in any way, the 'faster' person doing more work than the 'slower' person you can forget it right now.

It will not happen without a great deal of fuss and bitching from my experience.
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Re: Does Park & Loop work?

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In areas of built up flats with reduced parking opportunities I have seen instances of 6/8 loops all radiating from the stationary vehicle. The "loops" are small due to the weight restrictions.
It becomes a glorified drop box.

So the speedy 20 year old could do 5 loops while the old maid with bad knees does 3 and they would still be in perfect sync.
Edit: But we are a team.......No fuss. No bitching.

Synchronized postal working - it could be in the next Olympics.
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Re: Does Park & Loop work?

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clashcityrocker wrote:In areas of built up flats with reduced parking opportunities I have seen instances of 6/8 loops all radiating from the stationary vehicle. The "loops" are small due to the weight restrictions.
It becomes a glorified drop box.

So the speedy 20 year old could do 5 loops while the old maid with bad knees does 3 and they would still be in perfect sync.
Edit: But we are a team.......No fuss. No bitching.

Synchronized postal working - it could be in the next Olympics.
There's a thought. It could lead to several spin offs:

Synch bitching
Synch belching
Synch farting
Pat Ostman
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Re: Does Park & Loop work?

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clashcityrocker wrote:......No fuss. No bitching.
But you just know that there would be. You only have to be a forum member here to know that one. :cool
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Re: Does Park & Loop work?

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Pat Ostman wrote:
clashcityrocker wrote:......No fuss. No bitching.
But you just know that there would be. You only have to be a forum member here to know that one. :cool
I also know a lot of people like to avoid confrontation with management so.....
cut off because so and so is too slow or
do a couple of extra loops to help out a colleague?
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Re: Does Park & Loop work?

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clashcityrocker wrote:
Pat Ostman wrote:
clashcityrocker wrote:......No fuss. No bitching.
But you just know that there would be. You only have to be a forum member here to know that one. :cool
I also know a lot of people like to avoid confrontation with management so.....
cut off because so and so is too slow or
do a couple of extra loops to help out a colleague?
If i know human/postie nature they will do a couple of extra loops and then undermine their slower colleague...probably in deliberate earshot of management.
It sounds like a recipe for disaster.
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Re: Does Park & Loop work?

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Sorry to dissapoint you Wiganpostie but I am definately not Moya