Before you vote read this and think.......

[drb]

Postal1.This was executive action and should of been stopped via the Interim Agreement.Your rep should now be replacing vacancies with the senior reserves for six months(via the Way Forward). If there are any vacancies it should go up.The part timers can sign for it via seniority.Get your rep/area involved.

They will push inexecutive action and when they do HQ needs to know about it.Get emails for your divisional and email him every day if you need to.

[steven100]

Are they going to increase the sorting rates????? No change, just more work. And less bodies.

[drb]

The initial sorting rates are out of the window now,(they ignored them last year anyway as they realised it went nowhere). However the new rates will be judged by BSi in which will be the ACAS bsi.This includes stress,fatigue and motivation. The only way their BSi was done was by budget,(not correct). This will be done via the workshops with ACAS involved.

Some were motivated however......by finishing early and encouraged by half wit line managers. This will be part of the management cull,(1200),after the vote.

[AnotherLimey]

The lapsed walk in my office had 6 lots of DTD under the frame this morning, i suggested to the manager i take them home set them in and deliver them Tue-Fri after work which he agreed to, easy money as the lapsed walk is right outside the office, this week that will earn me an extra £65, in a few weeks time if this crap is voted in i would be paid around £8 for the same work.

[POSTMAN]

Dont try and reason with the imbeciles

3 Day ban!

[drb]

3 Day ban!

Ouch!!

[BELIAL]

If you were offered, a pay cut, longer working on Saturdays, and up double the number of D2D to deliver for no extra money, would you think this was an offer that your union has cobbled together and is recommending?

Use your heads VOTE NO

You cannot find any merits in the agreement?

Like what, for instance?

Dont try and reason with the imbeciles they cant and never will see that this is a good deal to where we were 6 months ago. Nor will they see that people all around us are losing their jobs, being forced to work less hours, no chance of a pay rise let alone a 7% one over the next 3 years and guaranteed full time employment with a shorter working week, more Saturdays off and a £1000 lump sum. All this is really wasted on these people.

And all that with a pay cut today and the PROMISE of jam tomorrow. It isn't 7%, it is over 3 years and it isn't guaranteed full time employment, 1 hour less at commencement of sequenced revision so not this year, 200 paid on the yes this year, 200 on the sequenced revision implementation and 600 on succesful roll out of sequenced revision, so again not this year and the 3.5% in year 3 subject to revision.

I do feel like a blind imbecile I must say - nosurrender is it?

Kin ell DV I see the "you must work longer for less" enforcers are in town.

[dvbuk55]

The lapsed walk in my office had 6 lots of DTD under the frame this morning, i suggested to the manager i take them home set them in and deliver them Tue-Fri after work which he agreed to, easy money as the lapsed walk is right outside the office, this week that will earn me an extra £65, in a few weeks time if this crap is voted in i would be paid around £8 for the same work.

No you wouldn't because they would have had to be done when due. You used to get piles of them left at one time but not anymore, there is a weekly return done on D2Ds now and a strict regime to see that they ARE delivered.

[dvbuk55]

Kin ell DV I see the "you must work longer for less" enforcers are in town. Wise up scum

As the once great and wise Rab C Nesbitt would say - "See me, ah'm scum" - which I probably am but hey I can live with it

[dvbuk55]

Dont try and reason with the imbeciles

3 Day ban!

I'm not questioning your authority postman, but would you reconsider please! He's probably got a bit carried away - some feel that a yes vote is the only sensible path - I on the other hand do not - I for one don't mind being called an imbecile, after all a label is merely in the eye of the beholder - the reality is what is.

[bunkerland]

the working tools are likely to push older or slower people out the door.

I quite agree and the problem for us all is that we all get old one day ,nobody wants to but it's better than the alternative. With increased workloads and unspecified delivery spans it's difficult to see much to look forward to for us old duffers of the future. When you're sixty it's pretty likely you'll be doing most things a bit slower,that's why you don't see many pensioners competing in the Olympics. It's funny how's it's always someone that sits on their fat arse all day that can't see anything wrong with someone else walking for 5/6 hours every day!

[dvbuk55]

the working tools are likely to push older or slower people out the door.

I quite agree and the problem for us all is that we all get old one day ,nobody wants to but it's better than the alternative. With increased workloads and unspecified delivery spans it's difficult to see much to look forward to for us old duffers of the future. When you're sixty it's pretty likely you'll be doing most things a bit slower,that's why you don't see many pensioners competing in the Olympics. It's funny how's it's always someone that sits on their fat arse all day that can't see anything wrong with someone else walking for 5/6 hours every day!

Well my one day has arrived but I am not sad - I wish I could have my time over again and make more of the opportunites I had but didn't take but a good soldier never looks behind him and the clock runneth.

It is true when you get over sixty you do do things slower, and not as often, in fact never mind you if there was an olympic event for I may be tempted to have a try out

[AnotherLimey]

The lapsed walk in my office had 6 lots of DTD under the frame this morning, i suggested to the manager i take them home set them in and deliver them Tue-Fri after work which he agreed to, easy money as the lapsed walk is right outside the office, this week that will earn me an extra £65, in a few weeks time if this crap is voted in i would be paid around £8 for the same work.

No you wouldn't because they would have had to be done when due. You used to get piles of them left at one time but not anymore, there is a weekly return done on D2Ds now and a strict regime to see that they ARE delivered.

My point was the value of the work now and after the agreement, if it goes through.

[DirtyHarry]

If you were offered, a pay cut, longer working on Saturdays, and up double the number of D2D to deliver for no extra money, would you think this was an offer that your union has cobbled together and is recommending?

Use your heads VOTE NO

You cannot find any merits in the agreement?

Like what, for instance?

Dont try and reason with the imbeciles they cant and never will see that this is a good deal to where we were 6 months ago. Nor will they see that people all around us are losing their jobs, being forced to work less hours, no chance of a pay rise let alone a 7% one over the next 3 years and guaranteed full time employment with a shorter working week, more Saturdays off and a £1000 lump sum. All this is really wasted on these people.

OK, I won't !

[celerycelery]

If you were offered, a pay cut, longer working on Saturdays, and up double the number of D2D to deliver for no extra money, would you think this was an offer that your union has cobbled together and is recommending?

Use your heads VOTE NO

You cannot find any merits in the agreement?

Like what, for instance?

Dont try and reason with the imbeciles they cant and never will see that this is a good deal to where we were 6 months ago. Nor will they see that people all around us are losing their jobs, being forced to work less hours, no chance of a pay rise let alone a 7% one over the next 3 years and guaranteed full time employment with a shorter working week, more Saturdays off and a £1000 lump sum. All this is really wasted on these people.

You are living on cloud cuckoo land if you really think we will get all 7% pay rises over 3 years (actually its 4 years as we got fark all last year despite RM making vast profits). The first years pay rise wont cover what some are losing on d2d payments and the early shift allowance. Even the 2nd years rise wont cover it for some people. As for the 3rd years rise read the little small print after it and by then we will be privatised anyway.