Ballot timescale?

[Acca Dacca]

It's a no vote from me. I genuinely can't believe we are supposedly a highly unionised work force, and this pay deal is the best we can get. We are basically earning less than a few years ago. But expected to work more for the privilege. The union is just pretending it's still relevant to justify our weekly subs.

We are all roughly about £3k poorer due to inflation and that includes the latest 4.2%. Add on the loss of pay if you dare become sick. Yet we are being flogged to death every day for it. Martin Walsh all over FB this evening with the usual dismissive tone as well. They just will not except they have done a s**t job. That their continued presence is damaging our ability to function as a union.

Isn’t Martins live stream tomorrow evening?

[NWpostie]

How long now will we have to wait for these ballot papers to drop through our letterboxs now? Sept/Oct maybe, as need to wait for all the propaganda to commence yet….

You can claim it from the start of the negotiation to the date you left employment.

I had friend who left to join the police, he tried to claim as he felt he earned that money, RM initially knocked him back until he got the Police Federation involved, he was paid the outstanding amount.

[Ren Hoëk]

It's a no vote from me. I genuinely can't believe we are supposedly a highly unionised work force, and this pay deal is the best we can get. We are basically earning less than a few years ago. But expected to work more for the privilege. The union is just pretending it's still relevant to justify our weekly subs.

We are all roughly about £3k poorer due to inflation and that includes the latest 4.2%. Add on the loss of pay if you dare become sick. Yet we are being flogged to death every day for it. Martin Walsh all over FB this evening with the usual dismissive tone as well. They just will not except they have done a s**t job. That their continued presence is damaging our ability to function as a union.

Isn’t Martins live stream tomorrow evening?

He was in the comments section of something they posted yesterday.

[mjd24]

It's a no vote from me. I genuinely can't believe we are supposedly a highly unionised work force, and this pay deal is the best we can get. We are basically earning less than a few years ago. But expected to work more for the privilege. The union is just pretending it's still relevant to justify our weekly subs.

We are all roughly about £3k poorer due to inflation and that includes the latest 4.2%. Add on the loss of pay if you dare become sick. Yet we are being flogged to death every day for it. Martin Walsh all over FB this evening with the usual dismissive tone as well. They just will not except they have done a s**t job. That their continued presence is damaging our ability to function as a union.

How did you work this out? (Not doubting you just curious)

Also, how do we compare to other jobs/sectors?

[SkiSunday]

It's a no vote from me. I genuinely can't believe we are supposedly a highly unionised work force, and this pay deal is the best we can get. We are basically earning less than a few years ago. But expected to work more for the privilege. The union is just pretending it's still relevant to justify our weekly subs.

We are all roughly about £3k poorer due to inflation and that includes the latest 4.2%. Add on the loss of pay if you dare become sick. Yet we are being flogged to death every day for it. Martin Walsh all over FB this evening with the usual dismissive tone as well. They just will not except they have done a s**t job. That their continued presence is damaging our ability to function as a union.

How did you work this out? (Not doubting you just curious)

Also, how do we compare to other jobs/sectors?

Other so called 'sectors' are parcel delivery companies. Amazon. Evri. DHL. DPD. Most of them are better compensated for their labour.

Also, none of them deliver mail/d2ds and none of them are owned by one single person. Hope that helps

[Ren Hoëk]

It's a no vote from me. I genuinely can't believe we are supposedly a highly unionised work force, and this pay deal is the best we can get. We are basically earning less than a few years ago. But expected to work more for the privilege. The union is just pretending it's still relevant to justify our weekly subs.

We are all roughly about £3k poorer due to inflation and that includes the latest 4.2%. Add on the loss of pay if you dare become sick. Yet we are being flogged to death every day for it. Martin Walsh all over FB this evening with the usual dismissive tone as well. They just will not except they have done a s**t job. That their continued presence is damaging our ability to function as a union.

How did you work this out? (Not doubting you just curious)

Also, how do we compare to other jobs/sectors?

Comparing inflation figures. If our pay had kept up with inflation (Unlikely I know given how it was) but it still shows what has happened to our purchasing power over the last 3 years.

[k979aaa]

It's a no vote from me. I genuinely can't believe we are supposedly a highly unionised work force, and this pay deal is the best we can get. We are basically earning less than a few years ago. But expected to work more for the privilege. The union is just pretending it's still relevant to justify our weekly subs.

We are all roughly about £3k poorer due to inflation and that includes the latest 4.2%. Add on the loss of pay if you dare become sick. Yet we are being flogged to death every day for it. Martin Walsh all over FB this evening with the usual dismissive tone as well. They just will not except they have done a s**t job. That their continued presence is damaging our ability to function as a union.

How did you work this out? (Not doubting you just curious)

Also, how do we compare to other jobs/sectors?

Comparing inflation figures. If our pay had kept up with inflation (Unlikely I know given how it was) but it still shows what has happened to our purchasing power over the last 3 years.

Look at the people leaving for better paid job's than RM that's your yard stick!

[voodou7628]

Iam only staying for now because I have a legacy contract and coaching allowance and even then I may still leave if I got a Monday to Friday as family time is more important to me

[postslippete]

How did you work this out? (Not doubting you just curious)

Also, how do we compare to other jobs/sectors?

Inflation between 2021–2025 adds up to around 20–22%, yet our cumulative pay increases in that time total just over 13% (2021–22: 1%, 2022–23: 2%, 2023–24: 6% + £500, 2024–25: 4.2%). That puts us at a real-terms pay cut of around 7–9% and that’s before you factor in the quiet erosion of take-home pay with cuts to sick pay, seasonal variations in hours and the loss of consistent overtime.

What’s worse is the CWU leadership’s lack of real leverage. Every time RM claims it “can’t afford” more, the union backs down. Martin Walsh and Dave Ward seem to be more focused on dragging negotiations out and eventually selling the membership a compromise that is rebranded as “the best we can get.” By the time these deals land, most staff are worn down and desperate for a few extra quid.

The Union made a big show of rejecting three pay offers and holding out for more than 4% - and here we are, being asked to vote through 4.2% - which is a bit pathetic if I'm honest. And as for the two-tier contracts - if the company won't resolve them now, then they simply won’t be resolved. End of. Because the money in the company is clearly there - £3.54 billion in retained earnings and nearly £1 billion in cash, last time I checked the balance sheet. So the argument that Martin makes on equalising new entrants would “cost too much” at £183 million really doesn’t hold water. The truth is that they can afford it - they just don’t want to.

And sadly, the CWU leadership doesn't seem willing to force the issue.

[mjd24]

I have our pay rises down as

2022 2%
2023 6%
2024 2%
2025 4.2%

Total 14.2 %

[Chelseablue]

Iam only staying for now because I have a legacy contract and coaching allowance and even then I may still leave if I got a Monday to Friday as family time is more important to me

Whats coaching now £45 a week ? Waste of money

[Rommagic]

Ballot dates tonight?.

[postslippete]

I have our pay rises down as

2022 2%
2023 6%
2024 2%
2025 4.2%

Total 14.2 %

Yeah my bad, but the main point is that we are still at a real terms pay cut of around 7-9% regardless.

[postmanpatscat2]

Iam only staying for now because I have a legacy contract and coaching allowance and even then I may still leave if I got a Monday to Friday as family time is more important to me

Whats coaching now £45 a week ? Waste of money

Yeah they should do away with that.

[fadetogrey63]

Iam only staying for now because I have a legacy contract and coaching allowance and even then I may still leave if I got a Monday to Friday as family time is more important to me

Whats coaching now £45 a week ? Waste of money

Yeah they should do away with that.

£45 a week for going round making sure we have logged into the my doorstep /my performance app or whatever it is..