Union Using Door to Door Supplement as Bargaining Tool

[Perseus]

This is a complete misrepresentation of what we said.

We are not looking at reducing of removing the delivery supplement from anyone who currently receives it.

However for the 19 thousand new entrants which joined Royal Mail after 1st December 2022 we want a time line when they receive the supplement.

Royal Mail imposed new entrants terms and conditions the CWU have never agreed them. We want the harmonisation of their terms and conditions with the old contractss.

However to get to the same hourly rate as full timers on the old contracts it will cost an extra £2000 per year this is with the £30 delivery supplement.

We also have to add the RRIS payments which range from £5 to £35 per week and the outer and inner London weighting which is a further significant cost.

So we want the company to commit that there will be flight path to full harmonisation of new entrants contracts over two years.

Remember prior to new entrants terms and conditions new entrants did not go onto the full rate until they had been established which could be anything from 12 months to 24 months.

The harmonisation will cost over 200 million. We also want an above inflation pay rise , an increase in VR, an increase in full time jobs which all cost so agreeing a flight path is a sensible way to ending the two tier workforce.

can you please provide what a model week/fortnight would look like for a full time member of staff under a USO reform with at least every other Saturday off.

[A2B]

This is a complete misrepresentation of what we said.

We are not looking at reducing of removing the delivery supplement from anyone who currently receives it.

Thanks for the clarification

[reddevils]

I apologise for misinterpreting it Martin but there was part of the podcast where it seems it what suggested and I think other members felt that too. Thanks for clarifying

This is a complete misrepresentation of what we said.

We are not looking at reducing of removing the delivery supplement from anyone who currently receives it.

Thanks for the clarification

it.

[SMS1969]

TBF I watched it all and was surprised when it was announced on here that the delivery supplement was to be removed. Not what was said at all, so it’s scaremongering.
It was also evident that Dave is still furious with how the majority of the workforce have reacted to the 2022 deal and would like the chance to speak about it. Yeah whatever, what’s done is done and I don’t disagree with the sentiment some have shown on here, basically saying the deal was a surrender to keep the union at the table. Dave won’t hear of it- he’s saved your job don’t you know!
Please don’t fcuk this new deal up.

[reddevils]

It wasn't scaremongering it was legitimate.
I understand it was live and words can be misinterpreted.
But Martin said

'Wev'e also been looking at the delivery supplement which is worth around 40 million to be put on the table to try and harmonise it'

Put on the table sounds like sacrificing it.

As long as it it trying to achieve new members receiving it I am all for it.

From the 39th minute on CWu podcast.

[SMS1969]

Yes I know, but I read it as newcomers getting it within a certain timeframe. I do understand the confusion though, these sessions can be hard to follow.

[Dexydog]

Dave's furious about the way the membership reacted to the 2022 pay fee deal?
Is he actually *uckin* serious???
It was the worst sell out any union has ever presided over.
Still waiting on his big reveal from a few weeks ago, or has he forgotten about that?
Martin, you have big dreams and zero chance of pulling a quarter of what you said off.
You want VR terms increased?- it used to be 104 weeks or have you forgotten that?
And your mention and defence of the delivery supplement will come back and bite you on the backside.
RM will play you like a fiddle, just like last time.
The job, culture, union and the future is dead in the water.

[Barnacle]

It would be a suicidal move from the CWU to take money away from members, there needs to be clarification on this issue very quickly before even more members withdraw from the union

The CWU isn’t trying to deduct money.

RM are considering ending all D2D contracts. Why would they pay the delivery supplement if there are no D2Ds?

So the CWU are working to keep it and work it into pay.

[SMS1969]

We don’t get the delivery supplement for delivering d2…. oh never mind

[A2B]

It would be a suicidal move from the CWU to take money away from members, there needs to be clarification on this issue very quickly before even more members withdraw from the union

The CWU isn’t trying to deduct money.

RM are considering ending all D2D contracts. Why would they pay the delivery supplement if there are no D2Ds?

So the CWU are working to keep it and work it into pay.

The supplement isn't for delivery of D2D as has been mentioned once or twice previously. If RM choose to give up that service it will be because it's not profitable and they can use their resources ( us) in a more profitable way and thus recoup that money.

Anyway I think Martin Walsh has already cleared up the situation

[Barnacle]

It would be a suicidal move from the CWU to take money away from members, there needs to be clarification on this issue very quickly before even more members withdraw from the union

The CWU isn’t trying to deduct money.

RM are considering ending all D2D contracts. Why would they pay the delivery supplement if there are no D2Ds?

So the CWU are working to keep it and work it into pay.

The supplement isn't for delivery of D2D as has been mentioned once or twice previously. If RM choose to give up that service it will be because it's not profitable and they can use their resources ( us) in a more profitable way and thus recoup that money.

Anyway I think Martin Walsh has already cleared up the situation

If the delivery supplement is not for D2Ds, then what is it for?

[Dexydog]

How about it's for being out in minus temperatures today for 5 hours straight.

[A2B]

You'd have to ask RM & the CWU that as they agreed the deal on the supplement

All I know is if I have D2D to deliver I get paid it, if I don't have D2D to deliver I get paid it, if I'm on holiday I get paid it, if I'm sick I get paid it and if you work in certain areas outside of delivery you get paid it.

[Acca Dacca]

It would be a suicidal move from the CWU to take money away from members, there needs to be clarification on this issue very quickly before even more members withdraw from the union

The CWU isn’t trying to deduct money.

RM are considering ending all D2D contracts. Why would they pay the delivery supplement if there are no D2Ds?

So the CWU are working to keep it and work it into pay.

The supplement isn't for delivery of D2D as has been mentioned once or twice previously. If RM choose to give up that service it will be because it's not profitable and they can use their resources ( us) in a more profitable way and thus recoup that money.

Anyway I think Martin Walsh has already cleared up the situation

If the delivery supplement is not for D2Ds, then what is it for?

It was a negotiated supplement to sweeten the deal for agreeing that D2Ds would form part of the regular live mail rather than an additional extra and so wouldnt get paid any extra. It isnt being paid because we do door to doors. It is paid whether we have no door to doors or 5 door to doors so while it cant be said its *nothing* to do with door to doors - in the sense the supplement was first introduced to sweeten the deal of door to doors becoming unpaid and part of normal workload - it really is not a payment for doing door to doors.

[Mr Rush]

If the delivery supplement is not for D2Ds, then what is it for?

To make up for lost income after the 2010 agreement. The confusion arises because most of the lost income had been in the form of D2D payments which were then scrapped. The Delivery Supplement is not that rose by another name - more like a plastic flower.

RM are considering ending all D2D contracts.

I haven't heard this before.