You can have personal issues with anybody, management or otherwise. I'm good mates with one lino, to the point we meet socially and our wives are mates as we're fairly similar ages with similar interests. There's one lino I cannot stand simply because we clash as people. Both are still my managers, and I've had ding dongs with both in the past but at work I deal with both the same. We're at work, therefore meant to be professional about things.Woody Guthrie wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 09:27That's such a dumb point of view it's hardly worth applause.
The "problem" with an OPG moving into management in their own office is two fold.
The first is that the members now have to worry about any personal issues they may have had with this manager resurfacing now that they are in a position of power.
The second concerns the fact that some members may know personal details about or have a relationship with this manager that may compromise their ability to manage effectively or fairly.
That's why the business prefers where possible to move people out of their original office.
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Seymour Buts
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Woody Guthrie
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You're kind of missing the point.You can have personal issues with anybody, management or otherwise.
It's not having the issues that's the problem but the dynamic suddenly changing between two people that have already had issues. People hold grudges and something said between two colleagues may not be something that would be said between one person and their manager.
Although you can't completely eliminate that kind of unprofessional behaviour you can minimise the risk.
It's as much to protect the managers from unfounded claims of bias as it is to protect the members.
Only dead fish follow the current
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Seymour Buts
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In any industry people get prompted and progress into management; the idea people can't deal with that is just silly in my opinion, because they may not like said person or have previous with them. But agree to disagree.Woody Guthrie wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 16:50You're kind of missing the point.You can have personal issues with anybody, management or otherwise.
It's not having the issues that's the problem but the dynamic suddenly changing between two people that have already had issues. People hold grudges and something said between two colleagues may not be something that would be said between one person and their manager.
Although you can't completely eliminate that kind of unprofessional behaviour you can minimise the risk.
It's as much to protect the managers from unfounded claims of bias as it is to protect the members.
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Dorset Plodder
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In the Forces it's general practice to move people to a new unit when they're promoted. It may sound silly but it's been proven over the years. It prevents just the sort of Favouritism and Victimisation that we've been discussing.Seymour Buts wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 19:25In any industry people get prompted and progress into management; the idea people can't deal with that is just silly in my opinion, because they may not like said person or have previous with them. But agree to disagree.
Royal Mail is Full of "Little People", be they Managers, Reps or Staff. You can't rely on them acting like adults.
Like all Wage Slaves, he had two crosses to bear: The people he worked for and the people he worked with! (Stephen Vizinczey.)
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smok3y666
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Why have they got to worry about personal issues? Surely it's a professional business and staff AND managers should behave professionally and personal issues don't come into it? Secondly if people want to go in work and discuss their private and personal info well then it's just asking for trouble. In our office and probably most other people can't keep their mouths shut and spread gossip. I go there to work, that's it. I wouldn't class anyone at the s**t hole I work at to be friends no matter how well I may get on with them, they all stab one another in the back. FACT. Seems to be the Royal Mail employee culture, toxic as f**k.Woody Guthrie wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 09:27That's such a dumb point of view it's hardly worth applause.
The "problem" with an OPG moving into management in their own office is two fold.
The first is that the members now have to worry about any personal issues they may have had with this manager resurfacing now that they are in a position of power.
The second concerns the fact that some members may know personal details about or have a relationship with this manager that may compromise their ability to manage effectively or fairly.
That's why the business prefers where possible to move people out of their original office.
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clockworkjerk
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And within a couple of months in the new unit ... they'll be favouritism and victimisation claims anyway. It's not proven at all, there's no magic way to do it.... because it comes down to personality, some will do well where they are already well accustomed/some won't - same for sending them to a new place. It's the same in any industry, and the general rule of thumb in most is to move management about, so if anything's proven - it's that, otherwise it wouldn't be massively commonplace on low level managerial roles.Dorset Plodder wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 21:02In the Forces it's general practice to move people to a new unit when they're promoted. It may sound silly but it's been proven over the years. It prevents just the sort of Favouritism and Victimisation that we've been discussing.Seymour Buts wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 19:25In any industry people get prompted and progress into management; the idea people can't deal with that is just silly in my opinion, because they may not like said person or have previous with them. But agree to disagree.
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Dorset Plodder
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I tend to agree with you there Smokey. Like you I treat it like a job. There does seem to be a large element that see RM as some sort of Social Club though!smok3y666 wrote: ↑04 Apr 2021, 16:43
In our office and probably most other people can't keep their mouths shut and spread gossip. I go there to work, that's it. I wouldn't class anyone at the s**t hole I work at to be friends no matter how well I may get on with them, they all stab one another in the back. FACT. Seems to be the Royal Mail employee culture, toxic as f**k.
When I first joined, and it started getting rowdy, an Old Postie used to shout the mantra, "LESS TALKING .... MORE SORTING"!
Like all Wage Slaves, he had two crosses to bear: The people he worked for and the people he worked with! (Stephen Vizinczey.)
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Dorset Plodder
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I hear what your saying Clockwork. At least if they start at a new unit they start with a clean sheet. No baggage of anykind.clockworkjerk wrote: ↑04 Apr 2021, 17:23
And within a couple of months in the new unit ... they'll be favouritism and victimisation claims anyway. It's not proven at all, there's no magic way to do it.... because it comes down to personality, some will do well where they are already well accustomed/some won't - same for sending them to a new place. It's the same in any industry, and the general rule of thumb in most is to move management about, so if anything's proven - it's that, otherwise it wouldn't be massively commonplace on low level managerial roles.
It's a bit like when you walk onto the sports pitch and you hear the Referee addressing the opposition players by name.
I often think they move Managers about so that the BIG problems in DOs never get sorted out properly.
There NEVER seems to be an efficient Hand Over/Take Over (apart from where the nearest Greigs is) and the whole process starts again.
Like all Wage Slaves, he had two crosses to bear: The people he worked for and the people he worked with! (Stephen Vizinczey.)