Martin Walsh DGSP:A message to new entrants in Royal Mail Group

[yellowbelly]

If new entrants vote no to the 1.75%, what happens then? Just a 3% rise like the legacy? And back to square one in January when discussing the next (or first) step in equalisation?

Seeing that they are getting a separte ballot maybe if they reject the rise will be asked to go on strike?

Even if the new entrants reject the pay offer, what are the Union going to do? Try and renegotiate with RM? Ballot just the new entrants for strike action? If they ballot the whole postal membership for SA after the new starters have rejected the pay rise and slow route to equalisation do you think it would carry?

It's just not going to happen.

[Barnacle]

If new entrants vote no to the 1.75%, what happens then? Just a 3% rise like the legacy? And back to square one in January when discussing the next (or first) step in equalisation?

Seeing that they are getting a separte ballot maybe if they reject the rise will be asked to go on strike?

Even if the new entrants reject the pay offer, what are the Union going to do? Try and renegotiate with RM? Ballot just the new entrants for strike action? If they ballot the whole postal membership for SA after the new starters have rejected the pay rise and slow route to equalisation do you think it would carry?

It's just not going to happen.

If the main ballot on the USO delivery model is a YES but the Pay ballot a NO, they will just return to negotiations on New Contract pay in 2027 - which is when they were resuming those talks anyway. I think that’s the most likely outcome

[Sean06]

If new entrants vote no to the 1.75%, what happens then? Just a 3% rise like the legacy? And back to square one in January when discussing the next (or first) step in equalisation?

Seeing that they are getting a separte ballot maybe if they reject the rise will be asked to go on strike?

Even if the new entrants reject the pay offer, what are the Union going to do? Try and renegotiate with RM? Ballot just the new entrants for strike action? If they ballot the whole postal membership for SA after the new starters have rejected the pay rise and slow route to equalisation do you think it would carry?

It's just not going to happen.

From what ive been told if they reject the offer only option is do they want to go on strike.just them not whole membership.

[Barnacle]

The CWU has 164,000 members. Just found that on something I’m reading.

[postslippete]

If the main ballot on the USO delivery model is a YES but the Pay ballot a NO, they will just return to negotiations on New Contract pay in 2027 - which is when they were resuming those talks anyway. I think that’s the most likely outcome

It's all speculation at this point, but I agree. The USO reforms may be embedded by then and RM may have a clearer path to unlocking even more savings

And I wouldn't be surprised if they came back with a one-off lump sum as a "sweetener" instead of any real full equalisation. Lump sums sound good in the short term but they don't permanently fix hourly rate gaps, overtime terms, paid breaks or future pay progression.

[Rve83ndxd]

The CWU has 164,000 members. Just found that on something I’m reading.

You may be right, but I seriously doubt it.

[Barnacle]

The CWU has 164,000 members. Just found that on something I’m reading.

You may be right, but I seriously doubt it.

That definitely is the correct amount. Some are BT & also there are tech communication workers that use the CWU

[postslippete]

168,000 according to wiki. 110,000 in RM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communica ... d_Kingdom)

[Barnacle]

168,000 according to wiki. 110,000 in RM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communica ... d_Kingdom)

Down 20,000 since 2023 which I put down to the influx of New Contract workers who simply do not stay and barely any of them arrive with a long term plan to stay. So there must be a membership churn of sign-ups and departures

[Beanyjazz]

168,000 according to wiki. 110,000 in RM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communica ... d_Kingdom)

Please don't use Wiki, it is so bad.

That '110,000 members' is from 2017.

[SpacePhoenix]

168,000 according to wiki. 110,000 in RM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communica ... d_Kingdom)

Please don't use Wiki, it is so bad.

That '110,000 members' is from 2017.

I doubt that there's even 110,000 RM staff total let alone 110,000 union members.

[Mr Rush]

168,000 according to wiki. 110,000 in RM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communica ... d_Kingdom)

Please don't use Wiki, it is so bad.

That '110,000 members' is from 2017.

Wikipedia cites the CWU's page here as being from 2025. The PDF in LTB 245/25 provides a graph which indicates at the end of the 2024 calendar year it was ~164,000. 110K membership in RMG is accurate as of the 2023 ballot. Please cite your sources.

[Beanyjazz]

168,000 according to wiki. 110,000 in RM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communica ... d_Kingdom)

Please don't use Wiki, it is so bad.

That '110,000 members' is from 2017.

Wikipedia cites the CWU's page here as being from 2025. The PDF in LTB 245/25 provides a graph which indicates at the end of the 2024 calendar year it was ~164,000. 110K membership in RMG is accurate as of the 2023 ballot. Please cite your sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communica ... Kingdom%29

'The Communication Workers Union (CWU) is the main trade union in the United Kingdom for people working for telephone, cable, digital subscriber line (DSL), postal delivery, and tech companies. It has 110,000 members in Royal Mail as well as more in many other communication companies.[3]'

You see that 3 after 'communication companies'????? That's a reference.

Go to the bottom of the page and look at (3). OR, just hover on the 3.....It even has a link on it.....

Reference (3) (where this information is from) is 'BBC NEWS. Published 3 October 2017. Retrieved 4 October 2017.'

[Barnacle]

168,000 according to wiki. 110,000 in RM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communica ... d_Kingdom)

Please don't use Wiki, it is so bad.

That '110,000 members' is from 2017.

Wikipedia cites the CWU's page here as being from 2025. The PDF in LTB 245/25 provides a graph which indicates at the end of the 2024 calendar year it was ~164,000. 110K membership in RMG is accurate as of the 2023 ballot. Please cite your sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communica ... Kingdom%29

'The Communication Workers Union (CWU) is the main trade union in the United Kingdom for people working for telephone, cable, digital subscriber line (DSL), postal delivery, and tech companies. It has 110,000 members in Royal Mail as well as more in many other communication companies.[3]'

You see that 3 after 'communication companies'????? That's a reference.

Go to the bottom of the page and look at (3). OR, just hover on the 3.....It even has a link on it.....

Reference (3) (where this information is from) is 'BBC NEWS. Published 3 October 2017. Retrieved 4 October 2017.'

The CWU has 164,258 members as of the end of 2025. That’s not off Wikipedia it’s a fact from union data.

[Beanyjazz]

168,000 according to wiki. 110,000 in RM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communica ... d_Kingdom)

Please don't use Wiki, it is so bad.

That '110,000 members' is from 2017.

Wikipedia cites the CWU's page here as being from 2025. The PDF in LTB 245/25 provides a graph which indicates at the end of the 2024 calendar year it was ~164,000. 110K membership in RMG is accurate as of the 2023 ballot. Please cite your sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communica ... Kingdom%29

'The Communication Workers Union (CWU) is the main trade union in the United Kingdom for people working for telephone, cable, digital subscriber line (DSL), postal delivery, and tech companies. It has 110,000 members in Royal Mail as well as more in many other communication companies.[3]'

You see that 3 after 'communication companies'????? That's a reference.

Go to the bottom of the page and look at (3). OR, just hover on the 3.....It even has a link on it.....

Reference (3) (where this information is from) is 'BBC NEWS. Published 3 October 2017. Retrieved 4 October 2017.'

The CWU has 164,258 members as of the end of 2025. That’s not off Wikipedia it’s a fact from union data.

Who said there wasn't 164,000 members? I'm talking about 110,000 Royal Mail members IN THE CWU....

Who does The CWU represent.......

Trades Represented:- Workers for Royal Mail, Post Office Ltd, Parcelforce, DHL, DPD, Amazon, BT, Openreach, O2, EE, Virgin Media, Vodafone, Sky, United Tech, Allied Worker, Capita and Santander, probably more.....

If you honestly believe 110,000 of those 164,258 are Royal Mail you should really start wearing a red-nose.