Having your walk tested

celerycelery · Post by **celerycelery** » 14 Nov 2007, 18:46

We had geo-route in our office recently and its been a disaster. Half the walks are too big the others are too easy. We are now having them tested? I was wondering who should actually test the walks. Apparently we have an acting DUM going to do ours but this acting DUM is also a postman at our office. Is this fair as his walk is one of the easiest so cant see him getting anything put on his own

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 14 Nov 2007, 18:50

Ours is the same but the guy who tested them is the lineo and the guy now sorting it out is a senior postman who is now a reserve because his walk disappeared so should balance out pretty fair.

TBH whatever happens you will never have all walks the same some will loose and some will gain.

celerycelery · Post by **celerycelery** » 14 Nov 2007, 18:54

I know walks are never going to be totally equal, but i would have thought bringing in someone from another office maybe, who can test them fairly without bias

Post by **Lovin Posties** » 14 Nov 2007, 19:38

This is something my postie mentioned in a chat to me on about his walk being to big and the managers looked on a computer so he is having a few houses taken from his walk and just as at matter of intrest do they take long to change does anyone know?

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 14 Nov 2007, 20:03

Lovin Posties wrote:This is something my postie mentioned in a chat to me on about his walk being to big and the managers looked on a computer so he is having a few houses taken from his walk and just as at matter of intrest do they take long to change does anyone know?

completely dependent on how proactive and efficient the manager is.

DGP1 · Post by **DGP1** » 14 Nov 2007, 20:09

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
Lovin Posties wrote:This is something my postie mentioned in a chat to me on about his walk being to big and the managers looked on a computer so he is having a few houses taken from his walk and just as at matter of intrest do they take long to change does anyone know?
completely dependent on how proactive and efficient the manager is.

We are still waiting on the revisions from the implementation on SDD (at least they are efficient)

Senior Service · Post by **Senior Service** » 14 Nov 2007, 20:37

This has been a constant bug bear at our office but how can you make all the jobs the same: some take longer to prep, some have lots of packets and signatures i could go on........

I find the most effective way of dealing with disproportionate jobs is just to do the job properly: the time is coming when we will all be working to our time and once you come to terms with that you will find it a revalation. The pressure to rush like crazy and to try and complete each day disappears: you simply do the job properly work to your time and bring back or leave behind any mail you are unable to deliver in your time.

If i have to do more IPS and i am later out so be it - i deliver less

If i am put on a different job which i know less well so be it - i deliver less

Any complaints from management refer them to those with time on their hands ie the early start, easy job rush rush use their own car bridgade.

I am not advocating kicking your heels and taking the proverbial just do the job properly and work at a fair pace.

Remember its not piece work or a race - if you want that try a factory or race Lewis Hamilton

So answer me this if you have your job walk tested does it not mean that the pressure will be there to complete every day!

I say let them try thier best with Geo Route etc(it should be in RM interest to get the jobs acheiveable and even) and remember what our lord and master said - he wants us to work 37hrs 20mins a week so why should we make ourselves ill by trying to do the impossible.

It looks like job and finish may go if it does DO YOUR JOB PROPERLY the future may not be as bad as you think.

ps Continue to support the union - its us not just the top two

Edward Hunter · Post by **Edward Hunter** » 14 Nov 2007, 20:59

All true SS. Even now, some at our place refuse to believe job and finish is comming to an end. Undoubtedly it will be better for the customer. Think of all those recordeds that will now be signed for, and packets that will not be doorstepped.Blimey even the D2D might be delivered!

wakkono · Post by **wakkono** » 14 Nov 2007, 21:23

geo route was tested in our office by a union rep and a normal walking postman some were over and some were under but the geo said they were all 3 1/2 hours delivery its all a load of crap were currently ina stage 3 disagreement about it but manager has implies that after xmas its just going to be forced through by exec action

dongash · Post by **dongash** » 14 Nov 2007, 22:17

the bloke who opens up at 4am says many of the 6am staff are still coming in up to one and a half hours before their time!!!!! they are like ostriches burying their heads in the sand,thinking their cheating will go on for ever! get a life you parasites!!! even the 24 hour contract walks are not fully thrown up by the time they start at 0930!!! if it wasn't for the managers doing postmans work the place would fall on it's arse!!! a lot of the walks are shite, some have had a bit taken off and some have had a bit added. though none of them have been tested correctly! they brought a right clown in who had his own way of doing tests! ie theres nowt wrong with most of the walks it must be the bloke who is on it!!!

DGP1 · Post by **DGP1** » 14 Nov 2007, 22:52

Many in my office still come in early (up to 2 hrs) but the end of job and knock will mean that these people will end up finishing the work that those doing the job properly (like me

) leave behind. One today supposed to start at 7 but was in at 6 finished at 1 but went out to deliver the cut offs.

jafferpants · Post by **jafferpants** » 15 Nov 2007, 07:30

Senior Service wrote:This has been a constant bug bear at our office but how can you make all the jobs the same: some take longer to prep, some have lots of packets and signatures i could go on........

I find the most effective way of dealing with disproportionate jobs is just to do the job properly: the time is coming when we will all be working to our time and once you come to terms with that you will find it a revalation. The pressure to rush like crazy and to try and complete each day disappears: you simply do the job properly work to your time and bring back or leave behind any mail you are unable to deliver in your time.

If i have to do more IPS and i am later out so be it - i deliver less

If i am put on a different job which i know less well so be it - i deliver less

Any complaints from management refer them to those with time on their hands ie the early start, easy job rush rush use their own car bridgade.

I am not advocating kicking your heels and taking the proverbial just do the job properly and work at a fair pace.

Remember its not piece work or a race - if you want that try a factory or race Lewis Hamilton

So answer me this if you have your job walk tested does it not mean that the pressure will be there to complete every day!

I say let them try thier best with Geo Route etc(it should be in RM interest to get the jobs acheiveable and even) and remember what our lord and master said - he wants us to work 37hrs 20mins a week so why should we make ourselves ill by trying to do the impossible.

It looks like job and finish may go if it does DO YOUR JOB PROPERLY the future may not be as bad as you think.

ps Continue to support the union - its us not just the top two

I have one problem with your PS the union is us and not just the top two but it wasn't us that accepted that sell out called a deal it was the TOP TWO!!!!!!

Senior Service · Post by **Senior Service** » 15 Nov 2007, 16:51

ps Continue to support the union - its us not just the top two[/quote]

I have one problem with your PS the union is us and not just the top two but it wasn't us that accepted that sell out called a deal it was the TOP TWO!!!!!![/quote]

Perhaps i didnt put it very well, i have a massive problem with the top two and still hope the agreement is thrown out: i was trying to say that the rest of us union should continue to stand firm and support each other. I think the top two have forgotten life in the real world.

jafferpants · Post by **jafferpants** » 15 Nov 2007, 18:31

Senior Service wrote:ps Continue to support the union - its us not just the top two

I have one problem with your PS the union is us and not just the top two but it wasn't us that accepted that sell out called a deal it was the TOP TWO!!!!!![/quote]

Perhaps i didnt put it very well, i have a massive problem with the top two and still hope the agreement is thrown out: i was trying to say that the rest of us union should continue to stand firm and support each other. I think the top two have forgotten life in the real world.[/quote]

Hear hear!!!! i'll drink to that

rebel · Post by **rebel** » 16 Nov 2007, 00:57

Walks can NEVER be equal. Whether this by geography, amount of packets etc. etc. I agree wholeheartedly with Senior Service on his text. Some people in my office (wholehertedly behind the "no work until start time" ethos) see no problem in throwing off the work that has been sorted by afternoon sorters before they go home

.

My "NO" vote is in the post already.