Supernumeraries @ Martin Walsh

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Re: Facts not spin
Post by denhamhoop » 36 minutes ago

Hello Martin
Thanks for your post
What exactly is the plan to resolve Supernumeraries in Mail Centres as my guess is like virtually everything else in this deal will involve Management doing what they want and the Union signing off on it I am a Supernumerary in spite of never having actually had the option of signing for a duty at my Mail Centre whereas people who have arrived there since have been allowed to flow through onto their Monday-Friday duties they came to the Mail Centre with 10 years ago
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[2chorizon]

Re: Facts not spin
Post by denhamhoop » 36 minutes ago

Hello Martin
Thanks for your post
What exactly is the plan to resolve Supernumeraries in Mail Centres as my guess is like virtually everything else in this deal will involve Management doing what they want and the Union signing off on it I am a Supernumerary in spite of never having actually had the option of signing for a duty at my Mail Centre whereas people who have arrived there since have been allowed to flow through onto their Monday-Friday duties they came to the Mail Centre with 10 years ago
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I started a thread on this a couple of weeks ago, no-one replied, if you want to know what is about to happen to you see the Mt Pleasant bulletin and what is going on at NWMMC these are the 2 test sites.

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[Martin Walsh]

Please look at section 9 of the joint statement Which sets out the process for resolving supernumeraries.

[Martin Walsh]

Joint activity on Revision PIR & Mail Centre Supernumerary/Surplus issues
The approach to resolving any Mail Centre Supernumerary/Surplus issues will be fully consistent with the terms/processes of the MTSF national agreement and the job security commitments in the Business Recovery, Transformation & Growth Negotiators’ agreement.
A full joint PIR will take place at each Mail Centre to ensure the realignment revision outputs are properly aligned to workload achieving workplan, Q of S targets and efficiency performance.
Separately to the PIR activity, a joint review of all workload aligned to current vacant duties or agency resource will take place to facilitate solutions to address the levels of stranded hours in each plant. The overarching aim will be to produce outcomes, which reduce supernumerary hours and agency use by matching resource against established workload.
Both parties confirm that all non-aligned or vacant duty workload can be reconfigured to achieve attractive and additional duty options including:
• Maximising full time duty options through the amalgamation of existing part time vacancies.
• The introduction of inventive duty patterns (3 & 4 day weeks) through efficient alignment of resource and available workload.
• For existing PT employees, the aspiration will be to match workload to current contracts and increases or reductions in contractual hours will be voluntary and in line with MTSF terms.
9.
Classified: RMG – Internal

Following the conclusion and outcomes of local discussions, both parties will facilitate an exceptional duty selection process for any surplus or supernumerary employee to pick into any new revised vacant duties within the duty set. Both parties agree that current duty holders can elect to participate in the duty selection process in which case their duty will be included in the process. This selection process will take full consideration of all Equality Act, adjusted duty or flexible working requests.
Further to the above duty selection process, a full office re-pick will take place in line with national agreements, at the point that major change occurs in relation to the Midland Superhub, Network Changes or further realignment activity.
The above joint activity for managing the PIR and supernumerary resolution will take place in line with the IR Framework and be scheduled to be completed by the 7th July 2023. In line with the above process, the local parties are encouraged to jointly consider and agree pragmatic and mutual interest solutions.
At the conclusion of this process, the national parties will meet to review progress, resolve any outstanding issues and agree next steps.
10. Negotiators’ Agreement
Royal Mail and CWU also confirm that a further communication will take place

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Joint activity on Revision PIR & Mail Centre Supernumerary/Surplus issues
The approach to resolving any Mail Centre Supernumerary/Surplus issues will be fully consistent with the terms/processes of the MTSF national agreement and the job security commitments in the Business Recovery, Transformation & Growth Negotiators’ agreement.
A full joint PIR will take place at each Mail Centre to ensure the realignment revision outputs are properly aligned to workload achieving workplan, Q of S targets and efficiency performance.
Separately to the PIR activity, a joint review of all workload aligned to current vacant duties or agency resource will take place to facilitate solutions to address the levels of stranded hours in each plant. The overarching aim will be to produce outcomes, which reduce supernumerary hours and agency use by matching resource against established workload.
Both parties confirm that all non-aligned or vacant duty workload can be reconfigured to achieve attractive and additional duty options including:
• Maximising full time duty options through the amalgamation of existing part time vacancies.
• The introduction of inventive duty patterns (3 & 4 day weeks) through efficient alignment of resource and available workload.
• For existing PT employees, the aspiration will be to match workload to current contracts and increases or reductions in contractual hours will be voluntary and in line with MTSF terms.
9.
Classified: RMG – Internal

Following the conclusion and outcomes of local discussions, both parties will facilitate an exceptional duty selection process for any surplus or supernumerary employee to pick into any new revised vacant duties within the duty set. Both parties agree that current duty holders can elect to participate in the duty selection process in which case their duty will be included in the process. This selection process will take full consideration of all Equality Act, adjusted duty or flexible working requests.
Further to the above duty selection process, a full office re-pick will take place in line with national agreements, at the point that major change occurs in relation to the Midland Superhub, Network Changes or further realignment activity.
The above joint activity for managing the PIR and supernumerary resolution will take place in line with the IR Framework and be scheduled to be completed by the 7th July 2023. In line with the above process, the local parties are encouraged to jointly consider and agree pragmatic and mutual interest solutions.
At the conclusion of this process, the national parties will meet to review progress, resolve any outstanding issues and agree next steps.
10. Negotiators’ Agreement
Royal Mail and CWU also confirm that a further communication will take place

Thanks for that Martin!

But can you try again in English please! (laymans terms)

[k979aaa]

They love to baffle us with bullshit at the end of the day the union will make itself supernumeraries and extinct at the sametime!

[HTPostman]

Re: Facts not spin
Post by denhamhoop » 36 minutes ago

Hello Martin
Thanks for your post
What exactly is the plan to resolve Supernumeraries in Mail Centres as my guess is like virtually everything else in this deal will involve Management doing what they want and the Union signing off on it I am a Supernumerary in spite of never having actually had the option of signing for a duty at my Mail Centre whereas people who have arrived there since have been allowed to flow through onto their Monday-Friday duties they came to the Mail Centre with 10 years ago
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I started a thread on this a couple of weeks ago, no-one replied

The forum and its members do not owe you a reply. Go get a job as a lolipop person or dinner lady if you want the world to revolve around you.

[2chorizon]

Re: Facts not spin
Post by denhamhoop » 36 minutes ago

Hello Martin
Thanks for your post
What exactly is the plan to resolve Supernumeraries in Mail Centres as my guess is like virtually everything else in this deal will involve Management doing what they want and the Union signing off on it I am a Supernumerary in spite of never having actually had the option of signing for a duty at my Mail Centre whereas people who have arrived there since have been allowed to flow through onto their Monday-Friday duties they came to the Mail Centre with 10 years ago
Top

I started a thread on this a couple of weeks ago, no-one replied

The forum and its members do not owe you a reply. Go get a job as a lolipop person or dinner lady if you want the world to revolve around you.

Good luck with the redeployment pool.

[HTPostman]

Re: Facts not spin
Post by denhamhoop » 36 minutes ago

Hello Martin
Thanks for your post
What exactly is the plan to resolve Supernumeraries in Mail Centres as my guess is like virtually everything else in this deal will involve Management doing what they want and the Union signing off on it I am a Supernumerary in spite of never having actually had the option of signing for a duty at my Mail Centre whereas people who have arrived there since have been allowed to flow through onto their Monday-Friday duties they came to the Mail Centre with 10 years ago
Top

I started a thread on this a couple of weeks ago, no-one replied

The forum and its members do not owe you a reply. Go get a job as a lolipop person or dinner lady if you want the world to revolve around you.

Good luck with the redeployment pool.

Thank you. I have just over 2 years before early retirement, I’ll cope.

[SpacePhoenix]

How can we have supernumeraries when we still have casuals/agency everyday?

[2chorizon]

How can we have supernumeraries when we still have casuals/agency everyday?

Supernumeraries are not being laid off they are to be redeployed to other RM sites by 7th july 23.

(you get on get to stay at your current site if you agree to drop you hours to 25hrs)

Casuals and agency will still be allowed in as and when because no RM staff will be laid off just redeployed.

See the mount pleasant bulletin i liked to it above.

[SpacePhoenix]

How can we have supernumeraries when we still have casuals/agency everyday?

Supernumeraries are not being laid off they are to be redeployed to other RM sites by 7th july 23.

(you get on get to stay at your current site if you agree to drop you hours to 25hrs)

Casuals and agency will still be allowed in as and when because no RM staff will be laid off just redeployed.

See the mount pleasant bulletin i liked to it above.

That'll be even more casuals/agency in then, at this rate it won't be too long before they end up outnumbering RM staff every day

[aiden01]

How can we have supernumeraries when we still have casuals/agency everyday?

Supernumeraries are not being laid off they are to be redeployed to other RM sites by 7th july 23.

(you get on get to stay at your current site if you agree to drop you hours to 25hrs)

Casuals and agency will still be allowed in as and when because no RM staff will be laid off just redeployed.

See the mount pleasant bulletin i liked to it above.

That'll be even more casuals/agency in then, at this rate it won't be too long before they end up outnumbering RM staff every day

Honestly do not know were this person is getting this crap from.

[SpacePhoenix]

How can we have supernumeraries when we still have casuals/agency everyday?

Supernumeraries are not being laid off they are to be redeployed to other RM sites by 7th july 23.

(you get on get to stay at your current site if you agree to drop you hours to 25hrs)

Casuals and agency will still be allowed in as and when because no RM staff will be laid off just redeployed.

See the mount pleasant bulletin i liked to it above.

That'll be even more casuals/agency in then, at this rate it won't be too long before they end up outnumbering RM staff every day

Honestly do not know were this person is getting this crap from.

The number of casuals that we have in every night is around the same, possibly a few more than the number of supernumeraries

[aiden01]

How can we have supernumeraries when we still have casuals/agency everyday?

Supernumeraries are not being laid off they are to be redeployed to other RM sites by 7th july 23.

(you get on get to stay at your current site if you agree to drop you hours to 25hrs)

Casuals and agency will still be allowed in as and when because no RM staff will be laid off just redeployed.

See the mount pleasant bulletin i liked to it above.

That'll be even more casuals/agency in then, at this rate it won't be too long before they end up outnumbering RM staff every day

Honestly do not know were this person is getting this crap from.

The number of casuals that we have in every night is around the same, possibly a few more than the number of supernumeraries

See what your saying but that has been like this for a few years now.but what im hearing an sick of hearing agency staff will not be needed soon.