25 hours - and the rest

[ProudhonPJ]

Thinking out loud here, but also very interested in others' views.
OK, so those on 25 hour contracts generally want/need more hours, which they seem to be able to get. But then they have no cut-off time, they can't 'do their time'. So they are open to abuse and some serious shafting. Just say 'no', perhaps, but they really are in a very different category from those with more hours on their contract. Of course, what's worse is that the appalling inequity goes off the scale with the pro-rata pension contribution, delivery supplement, and especially the indefensible, disgraceful annual leave pay scam.
I realise I haven't asked a question yet! Simply, then, what do you think of all this?

[postslippete]

If I were part-time now I would seriously consider getting in management because none of our managers work part-time - even the new ones


No problems then about having to cut-off or having everything pro-rata

I appreciate not everyone wants to manage, but Royal Mail are after managers on the cheap and they will always be paid more than us with more bonus incentives.....

[ProudhonPJ]

Who would want to be a manager? Especially now.
But of course that's not the point. There are people who work full-time (plus 'overtime'), but lose out considerably and don't have the luxury of a fixed end time to each day. My hunch is that the only people who care about this, or even have a view about it, are those who are affected. I'd like to be wrong, however.
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[clashcityrocker]

The part time staff have been treated like crap by everybody since time immemorial.
There is a very simple reason the CWU doesn't look after its part time workforce and if you write to CWU headquarters and ask them what percentage of the workforce is part time and what percentage of the union reps are part time it will give you an insight into the crux of the problem.
How many of the reps have ever been part time?
Those a bit higher up the food chain, the bods on full time release, are voted in by the majority full timers. They don't want to rock any full time boats for fear of losing their full time release status.

Having been part time, full time, part time, full time I know a little about the issue.

If I was still part time I would consider getting a different job. You can bet your bottom dollar that after all the "solidarity brothers" of the call to strike arms is over, the part time staff will still be getting the shitty end of every stick going.

[kazardaimenu]

At our place there is a finish time for part time but they have a later start time which limits the overtime potential or if you come in to an unprepped frame just means you are doing your walk later unnecessarily and therefore less likely to want to take overtime afterwards.

[2chorizon]

In Processing,
Part timer’s are more likely to dodge a pay abatement for strike days being as they wouldn’t be at work on all 5 weekdays or have weekend days in their 3-4 day PT contracts.

A full timer on the other hand is going to cop every single strike day as a pay abatement.

Depending on how the CWU select the strike days a Part-timer may not be on duty on any of them or just the odd one.

So a PT on a 30hr 4 days contract say sat / sun / mon & tues will not loose any pay for any of the upcoming 4 official strike days which are fri 26th wed 31st aug & thurs 8th fri 9th sept.

Part Time does have it’s perks!

[Postie45]

Maybe if you've done 25hrs by Thursday, take rest of the week off :nana

[Foxel]

Funny I'm on a 24-hour contract and I've been trying to work what just 'work your time' would actually mean for me. The 4:48 a day in my contact or the round length which depends on where I've been put that day?

Part timer’s are more likely to dodge a pay abatement for strike days being as they wouldn’t be at work on all 5 weekdays or have weekend days in their 3-4 day PT contracts.

I personally don't see this as a good thing, I'd much rather be down to work the strike day, feels like a damp squib having it as a day off.

[TopperGas]

In Processing,
Part timer’s are more likely to dodge a pay abatement for strike days being as they wouldn’t be at work on all 5 weekdays or have weekend days in their 3-4 day PT contracts.

A full timer on the other hand is going to cop every single strike day as a pay abatement.

Depending on how the CWU select the strike days a Part-timer may not be on duty on any of them or just the odd one.

So a PT on a 30hr 4 days contract say sat / sun / mon & tues will not loose any pay for any of the upcoming 4 official strike days which are fri 26th wed 31st aug & thurs 8th fri 9th sept.

Part Time does have it’s perks!

All the part timers in my DO work 5 days a week, so they are as likely to have a rest day on a strike day as a full timer.

It seems p/t as the forgotten members of the work force as RM have not mentioned them once regarding the "changes" and neither have the CWU.

[qwerty2]

In Processing,
Part timer’s are more likely to dodge a pay abatement for strike days being as they wouldn’t be at work on all 5 weekdays or have weekend days in their 3-4 day PT contracts.

A full timer on the other hand is going to cop every single strike day as a pay abatement.

Depending on how the CWU select the strike days a Part-timer may not be on duty on any of them or just the odd one.

So a PT on a 30hr 4 days contract say sat / sun / mon & tues will not loose any pay for any of the upcoming 4 official strike days which are fri 26th wed 31st aug & thurs 8th fri 9th sept.

Part Time does have it’s perks!

All the part timers in my DO work 5 days a week, so they are as likely to have a rest day on a strike day as a full timer.

It seems p/t as the forgotten members of the work force as RM have not mentioned them once regarding the "changes" and neither have the CWU.

Yes the CWU agreed with RM to stop PTs who don't drive from getting FT (people already working for years in RM before they brought this in)
which should only have applied to new starters
I bet loads of PTs left the union after that - shot themselves in the foot

[ProudhonPJ]

Thanks all for engaging with this issue. Some really interesting takes on it, which help me make sense of what I've been (over)thinking for a while. The plight of part-timers, by which I mean the part-timers who don't work part-time at all, doesn't look as if it'll improve any time soon. That shitty end of the stick might just get shittier. Nonetheless, I will continue to work on work-arounds.

[Cucumber]

In Processing,
Part timer’s are more likely to dodge a pay abatement for strike days being as they wouldn’t be at work on all 5 weekdays or have weekend days in their 3-4 day PT contracts.

A full timer on the other hand is going to cop every single strike day as a pay abatement.

Depending on how the CWU select the strike days a Part-timer may not be on duty on any of them or just the odd one.

So a PT on a 30hr 4 days contract say sat / sun / mon & tues will not loose any pay for any of the upcoming 4 official strike days which are fri 26th wed 31st aug & thurs 8th fri 9th sept.

Part Time does have it’s perks!

All the part timers in my DO work 5 days a week, so they are as likely to have a rest day on a strike day as a full timer.

It seems p/t as the forgotten members of the work force as RM have not mentioned them once regarding the "changes" and neither have the CWU.

Yes the CWU agreed with RM to stop PTs who don't drive from getting FT (people already working for years in RM before they brought this in)
which should only have applied to new starters
I bet loads of PTs left the union after that - shot themselves in the foot

Since when has that been the rule?

[Kenfandango]

At our depot the PTers have had
25 hours bumped up to 30
2 PTers allowed to "sign on" to two of the worst walks in the depot, on the promise they'll "always" get called in early (then they both weren't one day and the proverbial hit the fan, as they arrived early and got told they wouldn't get paid for it)
At some point before I started, the 30 hour brigade were offered the chance at a full time contract, on the provision that they did Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday Sunday every week. Only one of them took it.

They only seem to hire people part time round our way, nobody (except the 3 mentioned above) in the last 5 years has had anything more than a 30 hour contract

[qwerty2]

In Processing,
Part timer’s are more likely to dodge a pay abatement for strike days being as they wouldn’t be at work on all 5 weekdays or have weekend days in their 3-4 day PT contracts.

A full timer on the other hand is going to cop every single strike day as a pay abatement.

Depending on how the CWU select the strike days a Part-timer may not be on duty on any of them or just the odd one.

So a PT on a 30hr 4 days contract say sat / sun / mon & tues will not loose any pay for any of the upcoming 4 official strike days which are fri 26th wed 31st aug & thurs 8th fri 9th sept.

Part Time does have it’s perks!

All the part timers in my DO work 5 days a week, so they are as likely to have a rest day on a strike day as a full timer.

It seems p/t as the forgotten members of the work force as RM have not mentioned them once regarding the "changes" and neither have the CWU.

Yes the CWU agreed with RM to stop PTs who don't drive from getting FT (people already working for years in RM before they brought this in)
which should only have applied to new starters
I bet loads of PTs left the union after that - shot themselves in the foot

Since when has that been the rule?

This happened years ago
Have you not noticed any duty that comes up it says must be driver
Any FTer that leaves the duty gets put down to PT anyway

[Cucumber]

In Processing,
Part timer’s are more likely to dodge a pay abatement for strike days being as they wouldn’t be at work on all 5 weekdays or have weekend days in their 3-4 day PT contracts.

A full timer on the other hand is going to cop every single strike day as a pay abatement.

Depending on how the CWU select the strike days a Part-timer may not be on duty on any of them or just the odd one.

So a PT on a 30hr 4 days contract say sat / sun / mon & tues will not loose any pay for any of the upcoming 4 official strike days which are fri 26th wed 31st aug & thurs 8th fri 9th sept.

Part Time does have it’s perks!

All the part timers in my DO work 5 days a week, so they are as likely to have a rest day on a strike day as a full timer.

It seems p/t as the forgotten members of the work force as RM have not mentioned them once regarding the "changes" and neither have the CWU.

Yes the CWU agreed with RM to stop PTs who don't drive from getting FT (people already working for years in RM before they brought this in)
which should only have applied to new starters
I bet loads of PTs left the union after that - shot themselves in the foot

Since when has that been the rule?

This happened years ago
Have you not noticed any duty that comes up it says must be driver
Any FTer that leaves the duty gets put down to PT anyway

We've lost several Full time staff over the past couple of years due to retirement etc and initially no part time staff was given full time contract. Eventually it became clear that we needed more contracted full time staff and several part time staff got the jobs. A few of them didn't, and still don't drive. So, RM and CWU have never colluded to stop non driving part time staff getting a full time job.