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Celgar
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Post by Celgar »

Anyone know what 'automated hours data capture' means ? I'm not sure it will win a crystal clear English award and it does sound a little ominous in nature.
The views I express here are mine alone and do not represent the views of Royal Mail Group.
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Post by rehabron »

As far as I am aware the business intends to introduce new ID cards which can pinpoint your exact location while on duty. It will show the exact time you entered the building and which entrance to the building you used and from which exit you used on leaving. It will record the various functions / stations you were working at and the time spent there.
What the range is for those working outside I am unsure but someone may be able to clarify this in another posting.
This to me is a complete invasion of our privacy where privacy is required and at present do not have the complete information as to how negotiations between RM and CWU are proceeding on this matter. " BIG BROTHER" is watching you.
tone123
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Post by tone123 »

There is a benefit to this system if they use the enhanced badges that can also detect your weight.
By monitoring the DOM's statistics before and after a toilet break you will have conclusive proof of how full of S*** they really were.
panch1989
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Post by panch1989 »

This should only scare people who arent doing the job right. I think its ridiculous that we have to write out overtime and sign in and out on sheets of paper. Its 2017. Companies have had clocking in machines for decades
SpacePhoenix
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Post by SpacePhoenix »

rehabron wrote:As far as I am aware the business intends to introduce new ID cards which can pinpoint your exact location while on duty. It will show the exact time you entered the building and which entrance to the building you used and from which exit you used on leaving. It will record the various functions / stations you were working at and the time spent there.
What the range is for those working outside I am unsure but someone may be able to clarify this in another posting.
This to me is a complete invasion of our privacy where privacy is required and at present do not have the complete information as to how negotiations between RM and CWU are proceeding on this matter. " BIG BROTHER" is watching you.
They don't need new cards, probably just a software update for the existing RFID scanners and new RFID scanners placed above every pedestrian door as well. All dock doors and doors that work ins wheeled in and out of should already have RFID scanners
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Post by yellowbelly »

Won't this involve the use of tracking data from the PDA's to show activity when you're out on delivery too, as I believe
that the max distance for enhanced RFID is about 100m outside (I think some road toll charges are collected by use of RFID in some
countries possibly the States).

If the functionality of these RFID cards is anything like the PDA's then they'll be good for use as windscreen ice scrapers
as RM will no doubt go for the cheapest option available.
bensonhedge
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Post by bensonhedge »

And who's going to do overtime when this comes in?
A2B
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Post by A2B »

bensonhedge wrote:And who's going to do overtime when this comes in?
The people on 25hr contracts who are grateful of any extra hours?
vigilante
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Post by vigilante »

The introduction of Automated Hours Data Capture has been a clear priority for the business and those discussions have been ongoing in one form or another since late 2015. Branches will be aware that the company has proposed a trial of the equipment in regard to both an active system (requiring the employee to swipe in and out) and a passive system involving automated recording utilising RFiD technology in a new design name badge holder.
The CWU has consistently voiced concerns over the company’s plans for the use of the technology and has continued to seek clarity and assurances in regard to safeguards for our members in line with those achieved for other forms of IT platforms such as Telemetry. In addition, we have raised concerns over the requirement for the level of visibility suggested in the company’s proposal where at the trial sites sensors have been fitted at every workstation. We have maintained that the tracking of individuals to that degree is unnecessary and could lead to victimisation should the data be misused. Throughout the talks the CWU have sought to enact the policies and protections agreed at our Policy Forum in March 2016.
Additionally we recognise that the similar levels of visibility intrinsic to the Outdoor PDA Actuals will require the agreement of corresponding safeguards with regard to the use of data for conduct or individual performance management.
Again progress has been made and the Mediator Report touched on this, however, there is still a way to go because this technology has the ability to drive an inhuman workplace/approach and we are determined to secure an Agreement that ensures that this is not the case in RMG.
Always be one step ahead, play their game but be wiser. Revenge is sweet.
Celgar
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Post by Celgar »

Hmmm. Tin foil hat anyone ? But back to being serious I guess that's what they do mean by those four words. There are barcodes that can be read on the current RM identity cards so they could be used to clock in and out. The PDAs we currently track our every movement at the moment so we are already there on that front.
The views I express here are mine alone and do not represent the views of Royal Mail Group.
cantonkid1955
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Post by cantonkid1955 »

rehabron wrote:As far as I am aware the business intends to introduce new ID cards which can pinpoint your exact location while on duty. It will show the exact time you entered the building and which entrance to the building you used and from which exit you used on leaving. It will record the various functions / stations you were working at and the time spent there.
What the range is for those working outside I am unsure but someone may be able to clarify this in another posting.
This to me is a complete invasion of our privacy where privacy is required and at present do not have the complete information as to how negotiations between RM and CWU are proceeding on this matter. " BIG BROTHER" is watching you.
So they can track you to whichever trap you are using,and how long you spend taking a dump.
Brandy
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Post by Brandy »

rehabron wrote:As far as I am aware the business intends to introduce new ID cards which can pinpoint your exact location while on duty. It will show the exact time you entered the building and which entrance to the building you used and from which exit you used on leaving. It will record the various functions / stations you were working at and the time spent there.
What the range is for those working outside I am unsure but someone may be able to clarify this in another posting.
This to me is a complete invasion of our privacy where privacy is required and at present do not have the complete information as to how negotiations between RM and CWU are proceeding on this matter. " BIG BROTHER" is watching you.
I know I am out of it all now and I am so thankful that I am,but if this is correct then it just gets worse,especially for the posties which the managers tend to pick on,and they do. Any excuse to bully,intimidate or victimise. :no no
Brandy
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Post by Brandy »

Celgar wrote:Anyone know what 'automated hours data capture' means ? I'm not sure it will win a crystal clear English award and it does sound a little ominous in nature.
It means We Are Watching Our Slaves!!!!!! :shhhhh
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Post by DB1100 »

Faraday is your friend
For we were soldiers once,and young
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Post by haddie »

if it stops early starters , no meal breaks , no vehicle checks etc it can only be a good thing.