reply from Billy Hayes

[stephen500]

Dear Stephen,

Thank you for your email.

As you will now know, an agreement has been reached and endorsed by the Union’s Postal Executive. This will shortly go out to ballot of all the members.

The problem with ‘royalmailchat’, is that its anonymity does not create an accountable debate. Nor does it seem to encourage the establishment of a serious policy for the members. Copies of the deal have been circulated to all Branches. There will also be direct correspondence to members at home.

Yours sincerely,

BILLY HAYES

GENERAL SECRETARY



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen
Sent: 20 October 2007 09:44
To: Billy Hayes
Cc: Dave Ward
Subject: communication



Dear Billy and Dave, I appreciate that you are in the middle of delicate negotiations but a lot of members , including myself, are becoming very frustrated when you promise information on our website and it does not appear.

For example see below: Your site never did make the update and it is very annoying! Just a few lines at the end of each day would ease a lot of anger. If you want to see how annoyed members are go to www.royalmailchat.co.uk. Please update us!

Stephen . scroll down for example of not updating!

''News
18 October 2007

Postal Dispute
Talks between the union and Royal Mail were held today at the TUC. Those talks have continued onto this evening and will continue tomorrow.



A further report will be made tomorrow. '' (it is now the day after tommorow!)

[norbet colon]

Dear Stephen,

Thank you for your email.

As you will now know, an agreement has been reached and endorsed by the Union’s Postal Executive. This will shortly go out to ballot of all the members.

The problem with ‘royalmailchat’, is that its anonymity does not create an accountable debate. Nor does it seem to encourage the establishment of a serious policy for the members. Copies of the deal have been circulated to all Branches. There will also be direct correspondence to members at home.

Yours sincerely,

BILLY HAYES

GENERAL SECRETARY



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen
Sent: 20 October 2007 09:44
To: Billy Hayes
Cc: Dave Ward
Subject: communication



Dear Billy and Dave, I appreciate that you are in the middle of delicate negotiations but a lot of members , including myself, are becoming very frustrated when you promise information on our website and it does not appear.

For example see below: Your site never did make the update and it is very annoying! Just a few lines at the end of each day would ease a lot of anger. If you want to see how annoyed members are go to www.royalmailchat.co.uk. Please update us!

Stephen . scroll down for example of not updating!

''News
18 October 2007

Postal Dispute
Talks between the union and Royal Mail were held today at the TUC. Those talks have continued onto this evening and will continue tomorrow.



A further report will be made tomorrow. '' (it is now the day after tommorow!)

Oh ! it's that mentality , we can't take any criticism and we're very thin -skinned , can you do any better ? , bit -damm you for your impudence ? . Just one step down from White & Lawson in Hellfail -"staff think they could run offices but in reality can't as RM is a complex organisation ".RMC's job is to constructively oppose , it's called democracy from your members who pay your wages Billy Bunter !. As for the annoymity not creating a accountable debate -RM / Hellfail certainly think otherwise !-all the suspensions , deliberate smears and people being "invited " in for cosy chats . Bit glib & flippant Billy ? can't all be fifth column troublemakers eh?

[dogfood]

Interpretation.

Fcuk you lot. We have done a good deal. (for ourselves).

Well a fcukin big NO vote will be an accountable argument / debate.


In my view this agreement sucks it is a green light for RM to divide and conquer the union will be defunct in a few years.

Pensions Unresolved.
D2Ds Unresolved.
Late Starts Agreed.
Flexibility Agreed.
Cover for colleagues Unresolved.
ColleagueShares Agreed


Ahh fcuk I could gone on but I am getting to fcking angry to continue.....

[prowler]

Interpretation.

Fcuk you lot. We have done a good deal. (for ourselves).

Well a fcukin big NO vote will be an accountable argument / debate.


In my view this agreement sucks it is a green light for RM to divide and conquer the union will be defunct in a few years.

Pensions Unresolved.
D2Ds Unresolved.
Late Starts Agreed.
Flexibility Agreed.
Cover for colleagues Unresolved.
ColleagueShares Agreed


Ahh fcuk I could gone on but I am getting to fcking angry to continue.....

Well said mate, I feel the same.
If we vote yes it's like turkey's voting for xmas.
Vote NO
BTW where is this union when you need them?

[dvbuk55]

Interpretation.

Fcuk you lot. We have done a good deal. (for ourselves).

Well a fcukin big NO vote will be an accountable argument / debate.


In my view this agreement sucks it is a green light for RM to divide and conquer the union will be defunct in a few years.

Pensions Unresolved.
D2Ds Unresolved.
Late Starts Agreed.
Flexibility Agreed.
Cover for colleagues Unresolved.
ColleagueShares Agreed


Ahh fcuk I could gone on but I am getting to fcking angry to continue.....

Well said mate, I feel the same.
If we vote yes it's like turkey's voting for xmas.
Vote NO
BTW where is this union when you need them?

Probably negotiating a deal to flog my granny to the arabs - although what I'm going to do with a bag of dates and a sack of camelshit is beyond me.

[hadescaveman]

THE cwu is a big joke

[wont cross the line]

THE ONLY THING THEY HAVE AGREED IS TO LOOK AFTER THEM SELVES IE LOCAL AGREEMENTS

[andy2007]

Dear Stephen,

Thank you for your email.

As you will now know, an agreement has been reached and endorsed by the Union’s Postal Executive. This will shortly go out to ballot of all the members.

The problem with ‘royalmailchat’, is that its anonymity does not create an accountable debate. Nor does it seem to encourage the establishment of a serious policy for the members. Copies of the deal have been circulated to all Branches. There will also be direct correspondence to members at home.

Yours sincerely,

BILLY HAYES

GENERAL SECRETARY



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen
Sent: 20 October 2007 09:44
To: Billy Hayes
Cc: Dave Ward
Subject: communication



Dear Billy and Dave, I appreciate that you are in the middle of delicate negotiations but a lot of members , including myself, are becoming very frustrated when you promise information on our website and it does not appear.

For example see below: Your site never did make the update and it is very annoying! Just a few lines at the end of each day would ease a lot of anger. If you want to see how annoyed members are go to www.royalmailchat.co.uk. Please update us!

Stephen . scroll down for example of not updating!

''News
18 October 2007

Postal Dispute
Talks between the union and Royal Mail were held today at the TUC. Those talks have continued onto this evening and will continue tomorrow.



A further report will be made tomorrow. '' (it is now the day after tommorow!)

What a condescending piece of crap!

He hasn't answered your question at all, and has merely criticised the only place where we can all have a serious discussion about the issues involved, regardless of where we live.

I am thoroughly disgusted with Billy Hayes! So much for representing us eh?!?

[BELIAL]

Dear Stephen,

Thank you for your email.

As you will now know, an agreement has been reached and endorsed by the Union’s Postal Executive. This will shortly go out to ballot of all the members.

The problem with ‘royalmailchat’, is that its anonymity does not create an accountable debate. Nor does it seem to encourage the establishment of a serious policy for the members. Copies of the deal have been circulated to all Branches. There will also be direct correspondence to members at home.

Yours sincerely,

BILLY HAYES

GENERAL SECRETARY



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen
Sent: 20 October 2007 09:44
To: Billy Hayes
Cc: Dave Ward
Subject: communication



Dear Billy and Dave, I appreciate that you are in the middle of delicate negotiations but a lot of members , including myself, are becoming very frustrated when you promise information on our website and it does not appear.

For example see below: Your site never did make the update and it is very annoying! Just a few lines at the end of each day would ease a lot of anger. If you want to see how annoyed members are go to www.royalmailchat.co.uk. Please update us!

Stephen . scroll down for example of not updating!

''News
18 October 2007

Postal Dispute
Talks between the union and Royal Mail were held today at the TUC. Those talks have continued onto this evening and will continue tomorrow.



A further report will be made tomorrow. '' (it is now the day after tommorow!)

What a condescending piece of crap!

He hasn't answered your question at all, and has merely criticised the only place where we can all have a serious discussion about the issues involved, regardless of where we live.

I am thoroughly disgusted with Billy Hayes! So much for representing us eh?!?

Is that the same sort of anonymity we got with the PEC vote,or the same sort of accountability that went along with the confidential negotiations? What an inneffective lightweight