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holiday rollover problem

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wheresourmoney
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holiday rollover problem

Post by wheresourmoney »

I know that we are entitled to money if we are unable to take our bank holiday entitlement, but if we are unable to have holiday weeks that we are owed because there is no room left in the calendar can we opt for payment instead , cheers
IcanthelpthewayIam
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Re: holiday rollover problem

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There is no national agreement on this. If there was RM would possibly be breaking the law by potentially encouraging staff not to take their statutory holiday entitlement in return for money
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Re: holiday rollover problem

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I have been told that there is an agreement regarding holiday rollover. We are only allowed to carry forward 5 days into new fiscal year. Can you please shed more light on this? thanks
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Re: holiday rollover problem

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asimalone wrote:I have been told that there is an agreement regarding holiday rollover. We are only allowed to carry forward 5 days into new fiscal year. Can you please shed more light on this? thanks
thats correct but only with DOMs agreement and only for 5 days worth
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Re: holiday rollover problem

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zx135 wrote:
asimalone wrote:I have been told that there is an agreement regarding holiday rollover. We are only allowed to carry forward 5 days into new fiscal year. Can you please shed more light on this? thanks
thats correct but only with DOMs agreement and only for 5 days worth
Not really correct, if there are no available slots to take your leave then you can carry over many more............I believe most of my office is running at between 4 and 6 weeks owed over this years entitlement.
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Re: holiday rollover problem

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DGP1 wrote:
zx135 wrote:
asimalone wrote:I have been told that there is an agreement regarding holiday rollover. We are only allowed to carry forward 5 days into new fiscal year. Can you please shed more light on this? thanks
thats correct but only with DOMs agreement and only for 5 days worth
Not really correct, if there are no available slots to take your leave then you can carry over many more............I believe most of my office is running at between 4 and 6 weeks owed over this years entitlement.

He asked about the agreement relating carrying over of annual leave not what is happening in your office and the agreement that covers this states 1 week or 5 odd days may be carried over

Also people must be allowed to take the minimum of 4 weeks holiday each leave year regardless of how many leave slots there are
wheresourmoney
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Re: holiday rollover problem

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asimalone wrote:I have been told that there is an agreement regarding holiday rollover. We are only allowed to carry forward 5 days into new fiscal year. Can you please shed more light on this? thanks
Thanks for your replies, the situation is this, a work collegue has his 4 weeks holiday and has bought 1 week, but for 2 years has only been given his 4 weeks holiday and when he has tried to book his fifth week has been told by management that there are no more weeks available , and this has happened 2 years running , so he now thinks he would be better of having the money, if it was allowed.
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Re: holiday rollover problem

Post by aiden01 »

zx135 wrote:
DGP1 wrote:
zx135 wrote:
asimalone wrote:I have been told that there is an agreement regarding holiday rollover. We are only allowed to carry forward 5 days into new fiscal year. Can you please shed more light on this? thanks
thats correct but only with DOMs agreement and only for 5 days worth
Not really correct, if there are no available slots to take your leave then you can carry over many more............I believe most of my office is running at between 4 and 6 weeks owed over this years entitlement.

He asked about the agreement relating carrying over of annual leave not what is happening in your office and the agreement that covers this states 1 week or 5 odd days may be carried over

Also people must be allowed to take the minimum of 4 weeks holiday each leave year regardless of how many leave slots there are
so what happens if you are owed more than 5 days,
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Re: holiday rollover problem

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zx135 wrote:
DGP1 wrote:
zx135 wrote:
asimalone wrote:I have been told that there is an agreement regarding holiday rollover. We are only allowed to carry forward 5 days into new fiscal year. Can you please shed more light on this? thanks
thats correct but only with DOMs agreement and only for 5 days worth
Not really correct, if there are no available slots to take your leave then you can carry over many more............I believe most of my office is running at between 4 and 6 weeks owed over this years entitlement.

He asked about the agreement relating carrying over of annual leave not what is happening in your office and the agreement that covers this states 1 week or 5 odd days may be carried over

Also people must be allowed to take the minimum of 4 weeks holiday each leave year regardless of how many leave slots there are
That's not what you said, you can carry over leave if it's not available to take, as for not having enough leave to take yours for the year then that's a problem made by the DOM, there should never be a time when you can't book your allocated leave for the year but all the held over stuff is different (and can be carried over).
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Re: holiday rollover problem

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DGP1 wrote:
zx135 wrote:
DGP1 wrote:
zx135 wrote:
asimalone wrote:I have been told that there is an agreement regarding holiday rollover. We are only allowed to carry forward 5 days into new fiscal year. Can you please shed more light on this? thanks
thats correct but only with DOMs agreement and only for 5 days worth
Not really correct, if there are no available slots to take your leave then you can carry over many more............I believe most of my office is running at between 4 and 6 weeks owed over this years entitlement.

He asked about the agreement relating carrying over of annual leave not what is happening in your office and the agreement that covers this states 1 week or 5 odd days may be carried over

Also people must be allowed to take the minimum of 4 weeks holiday each leave year regardless of how many leave slots there are
That's not what you said, you can carry over leave if it's not available to take, as for not having enough leave to take yours for the year then that's a problem made by the DOM, there should never be a time when you can't book your allocated leave for the year but all the held over stuff is different (and can be carried over).

What I said was correct you said it was wrong but it's not wrong it is correct in regards to the national agreement to carry leave over
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Re: holiday rollover problem

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DGP1 wrote:
zx135 wrote:
asimalone wrote:I have been told that there is an agreement regarding holiday rollover. We are only allowed to carry forward 5 days into new fiscal year. Can you please shed more light on this? thanks
thats correct but only with DOMs agreement and only for 5 days worth
Not really correct, if there are no available slots to take your leave then you can carry over many more............I believe most of my office is running at between 4 and 6 weeks owed over this years entitlement.
Be careful if you leave Royal Mail and ask for the holiday pay you think you have rolled over. Human Resources will tell you that you can only carry forward 5 days and that is all they will pay you.
lala
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Re: holiday rollover problem

Post by lala »

We have been told we can carry over 5 days if we want.

BUT

If we have bought extra annual leave, we cant carry over any - even if it is put in when we don't want it.
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Re: holiday rollover problem

Post by dvbuk55 »

lala wrote:We have been told we can carry over 5 days if we want.

BUT

If we have bought extra annual leave, we cant carry over any - even if it is put in when we don't want it.
Well bought or not that is a load of codswallop, of course you can carry it over, who decides which is the bought week and which the normal entitlement. The first weeks holiday could be the bought one and the 5th the entitled one. It would be just the same if it was a carried over week to the next year, does the first week represent the carried over week or the last week?
Glenno
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Re: holiday rollover problem

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wheresourmoney wrote:
asimalone wrote:I have been told that there is an agreement regarding holiday rollover. We are only allowed to carry forward 5 days into new fiscal year. Can you please shed more light on this? thanks
Thanks for your replies, the situation is this, a work collegue has his 4 weeks holiday and has bought 1 week, but for 2 years has only been given his 4 weeks holiday and when he has tried to book his fifth week has been told by management that there are no more weeks available , and this has happened 2 years running , so he now thinks he would be better of having the money, if it was allowed.
Easiest way to solve this is to cancel his bought week, if there is no capacity to book it why buy it?? :wave :wave
Glenno
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Re: holiday rollover problem

Post by Glenno »

Also this from The Way Forward


Carrying leave into another year

Annual leave should generally be taken in the year that it is due, and the business expects all employees to have at least four weeks away from work every year. However up to one week (or 5 odd days) may be carried over into the next leave year, and up to five days may be anticipated during the last month of the previous leave year. Transfer of leave in excess of these limits requires written permission from the line manager, except that leave that cannot be taken due to sick leave may be allowed in the following year. Where this is granted and would reduce the annual leave taken in a particular leave year to less than four weeks, the individual must also confirm in writing that they are willing to voluntarily forgo their statutory leave entitlement under the Working Time Regulations 1998.

:wave :wave