longs and shorts

[worktotime]

hi weve been told on Tuesday by area manager at wtl that as from next week we will be doing longs and shorts , does this sound right without any input . we was told we would have a ballot on this 3 weeks ago by the area rep but nothing, mon 6.45-14.33 , tues 7.00-13.30 , wed,thur,fri, 6.30-14.50 , sat 6.45-14.30 , how can they just throw this in theres loads with child care issues. oh with the Tuesday you only get a 30 min relief. so its another agreement where the members lose out.

[silly suffolk]

quote the way forward agreement, and as such if duties are changing by more than 30 mins you are all displaced and as such there needs to be a resign. then all the individuals with child care issues ect can apply for flexible working. if nothing else it will piss off said manager, and if your rep takes it through the I/r framework the status quo should remain until it is resolved.

[framusjsx]

I thought if your hours changed they had to give you a months written notice?

[worktotime]

quote the way forward agreement, and as such if duties are changing by more than 30 mins you are all displaced and as such there needs to be a resign. then all the individuals with child care issues ect can apply for flexible working. if nothing else it will piss off said manager, and if your rep takes it through the I/r framework the status quo should remain until it is resolved.

the problem is weve been doing p&l for about 5 years now which triggered a full office repick then and our times was 6.42 - 14.30 with 40mins m/r since then , I cant understand there way of thinking , its just going to cause more duties to fail , no collapse as you wont have time but to be honest I don't give a s**t about that , im more disappointed by the way its been done in the back door .

[worktotime]

I thought if your hours changed they had to give you a months written notice?

not according to the powers about and the AREA rep , to be honest its a f***ing joke as they are just doing what suits them , the new way forward agreement

[Bahia Feliz]

We did vote longs and shorts in a year ago.It works quite well on the whole.
We start at 6.15 every day and finish earlier Mon,Tues and Sats and later on Weds,Thurs and Fri's.
Our finish time on Saturdays is 13.30 which isn't too bad,most are back by 12.30 and are allowed to go straight home from what I hear,I always get back more or less dead on time as I have my m/r out on delivery.

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

get your rep to lodge a stage 1 disagreement about the change ASAP and insist on the status quo until the IR process is followed through all the stages to the end

[worktotime]

get your rep to lodge a stage 1 disagreement about the change ASAP and insist on the status quo until the IR process is followed through all the stages to the end

hes agreed with it and he is the area rep , he said we will have a vote never happened.

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

get your rep to lodge a stage 1 disagreement about the change ASAP and insist on the status quo until the IR process is followed through all the stages to the end

hes agreed with it and he is the area rep , he said we will have a vote never happened.

then go above them to branch your secretary or if needed go above him nationally if they wont follow the wishes of the office

[IloveMYredTROLLEY!]

If it does go through, check the times they are giving FT add up to no more than a 39 contract hour week, some in our place discovered they were being contracted for 39hrs 10/15mins and only getting 39 hours pay... After doing these shifts for ~2 years!

[Hitcher]

With the parcel network opening up over the weekend I can't see any logic in L&S anymore as Mon/Tues will become heavier and Wed/Thurs lighter.

[Spedley]

I would go higher and seek external help i.e. Citizens Advice Bureau . I am in a legally binding contract with my child minder and cannot just change the specified hours without 6 weeks notice. Even then it is subject to availability and I may be forced to seek childcare elsewhere (i.e. much more expensive nursery - and less desirable in my book)

My child minder has bills to pay and a quota of the number of children she can have. If I collect my kids any later she would have too many children when she makes her school pickup and any earlier would cost her money she can't make back elsewhere.

Contact the CAB then put it into writing - to your DOM, your area manager and to Royal Mail HR explaining that situation.

[arnold cheshire]

get your rep to lodge a stage 1 disagreement about the change ASAP and insist on the status quo until the IR process is followed through all the stages to the end

hes agreed with it and he is the area rep , he said we will have a vote never happened.

then go above them to branch your secretary or if needed go above him nationally if they wont follow the wishes of the office

you said they were voluntary in a previous topic

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

get your rep to lodge a stage 1 disagreement about the change ASAP and insist on the status quo until the IR process is followed through all the stages to the end

hes agreed with it and he is the area rep , he said we will have a vote never happened.

then go above them to branch your secretary or if needed go above him nationally if they wont follow the wishes of the office

you said they were voluntary in a previous topic

yes but he still needs to get rep(or someone higher) to lodge a disagreement if they are trying to enforce them

[girl pants]

get your rep to lodge a stage 1 disagreement about the change ASAP and insist on the status quo until the IR process is followed through all the stages to the end

hes agreed with it and he is the area rep , he said we will have a vote never happened.

What branch area are you?