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MY CONCLUSION ON THE 2010 TRANSFORMATION DEAL
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TrueBlueTerrier
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MY CONCLUSION ON THE 2010 TRANSFORMATION DEAL
There is a very long summary on my OverPaidUnderWorked Blog but for those who don't want to read it here are my conclusions on the 2010 Transformation deal.
CONCLUSION
Is this a good deal:
Royal Mail: Of course it is they get everything they have been aiming at especially in deliveries for the last few years. They now have total flexibility in delivery spans, hours of attendance, methods of delivery. They have also been able to introduce various measuring tools into the performance side of the work, but without being nailed down on the parameters at the moment. I hope and trust that these figures are nailed down before we get chance to vote other wise we will be voting from a position of ignorance which is never a good start.
They have been able to reach one of Adam Croziers initial targets when he first started in the removal of payments for Door to Door leaflets.
They now have had 2 years of either pay freezes or below inflation rises, now they have 2 years of at best matching inflation rises but more likely less, followed in the third year by a decent rise of 3.5% but with provisions.
CWU: As an organisation I think the CWU have gained the most. They now appear to have a significant place in the decision making process. They now have more inclusion in the various processes that deal with Modernisation and Transformation. More importantly locally they can have more effect on Mail Centre Closures (though they wont be able to stop them) and delivery revisions.
CWU Members – Delivery: The real losers in this deal for the most part. Okay there are improvements in the Maternity and Paternity leave. The delivery supplement being included in future pay rises is also a good step but beyond that they are plenty of concerns for members. At the top of that list is the loss of D2D payments not being offset enough, loss of the ESA compounds this to the effect that the average delivery member on a walking/hybrid duty will be worse off in real money for at least 2 to 3 years.
Also there are important parts of the Transformation Deal that are missing and need to be addressed before we vote on it. The most important part being the measuring tools namely BSI 100, IWT etc. The no limit of delivery span is also of concern if we do not know what the “menu” of options are. What the effect on no cap on D2Ds on the call rate will have on revisions. What the language about length of delivery span will have on the “Cutting Off” procedure.
I think to be honest for deliveries there is an abundance of questions but a dearth of answers.
CWU Members - Non Deliveries Although there are contentious parts in the deal for these members specifically with regards to Mail Centre closures and how far the Union can question the process it is generally a good deal for this section of the Membership.
CONCLUSION
Is this a good deal:
Royal Mail: Of course it is they get everything they have been aiming at especially in deliveries for the last few years. They now have total flexibility in delivery spans, hours of attendance, methods of delivery. They have also been able to introduce various measuring tools into the performance side of the work, but without being nailed down on the parameters at the moment. I hope and trust that these figures are nailed down before we get chance to vote other wise we will be voting from a position of ignorance which is never a good start.
They have been able to reach one of Adam Croziers initial targets when he first started in the removal of payments for Door to Door leaflets.
They now have had 2 years of either pay freezes or below inflation rises, now they have 2 years of at best matching inflation rises but more likely less, followed in the third year by a decent rise of 3.5% but with provisions.
CWU: As an organisation I think the CWU have gained the most. They now appear to have a significant place in the decision making process. They now have more inclusion in the various processes that deal with Modernisation and Transformation. More importantly locally they can have more effect on Mail Centre Closures (though they wont be able to stop them) and delivery revisions.
CWU Members – Delivery: The real losers in this deal for the most part. Okay there are improvements in the Maternity and Paternity leave. The delivery supplement being included in future pay rises is also a good step but beyond that they are plenty of concerns for members. At the top of that list is the loss of D2D payments not being offset enough, loss of the ESA compounds this to the effect that the average delivery member on a walking/hybrid duty will be worse off in real money for at least 2 to 3 years.
Also there are important parts of the Transformation Deal that are missing and need to be addressed before we vote on it. The most important part being the measuring tools namely BSI 100, IWT etc. The no limit of delivery span is also of concern if we do not know what the “menu” of options are. What the effect on no cap on D2Ds on the call rate will have on revisions. What the language about length of delivery span will have on the “Cutting Off” procedure.
I think to be honest for deliveries there is an abundance of questions but a dearth of answers.
CWU Members - Non Deliveries Although there are contentious parts in the deal for these members specifically with regards to Mail Centre closures and how far the Union can question the process it is generally a good deal for this section of the Membership.
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belle smith
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Re: MY CONCLUSION ON THE 2010 TRANSFORMATION DEAL
Very rounded teebs,
I would add that you don't know whats in the menu because it's not part of the agreement, so don't grow attached to it when you do see it.
I would add that you don't know whats in the menu because it's not part of the agreement, so don't grow attached to it when you do see it.
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Re: MY CONCLUSION ON THE 2010 TRANSFORMATION DEAL
my understanding is that work measurment/standards and revision tools workshops will be held within 4 weeks of signing this agreement.
so in reality we wont know the detail of what we are being asked to vote on !

so in reality we wont know the detail of what we are being asked to vote on !
"Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains."
"Without doubt, machinery has greatly increased the number of well-to-do idlers."
"An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory"
"Without doubt, machinery has greatly increased the number of well-to-do idlers."
"An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory"
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Re: MY CONCLUSION ON THE 2010 TRANSFORMATION DEAL
Lovejoy has assured us that we will know the standards before voting.realmichael wrote:my understanding is that work measurment/standards and revision tools workshops will be held within 4 weeks of signing this agreement.
so in reality we wont know the detail of what we are being asked to vote on !![]()
Check this thread ->http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 30#p252315
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realmichael
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Re: MY CONCLUSION ON THE 2010 TRANSFORMATION DEAL
he can assure us all day long but that is the wording in the agreement - the words are the words when all is said and done 
"Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains."
"Without doubt, machinery has greatly increased the number of well-to-do idlers."
"An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory"
"Without doubt, machinery has greatly increased the number of well-to-do idlers."
"An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory"
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banner18
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Re: MY CONCLUSION ON THE 2010 TRANSFORMATION DEAL
Yes or no tbt? 
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proper postie
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Re: MY CONCLUSION ON THE 2010 TRANSFORMATION DEAL
The no limit to delivery span is extremely vague.
Does it mean they can just send you out with unlimited mail and you are out there until the street lights come on?
Does it mean they can just send you out with unlimited mail and you are out there until the street lights come on?
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TrueBlueTerrier
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Re: MY CONCLUSION ON THE 2010 TRANSFORMATION DEAL
What its not obviousbanner18 wrote:Yes or no tbt?
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Re: MY CONCLUSION ON THE 2010 TRANSFORMATION DEAL
So in summary the deal is a great one for RM Plc and the CWU but either so-so, bad, or horrendous for delivery staff. Thanks for the summary, I think those 4 months of negotiation were time well spent - for the parties round the table.
What is the point in having a strong CWU if they give us deals like this? Are they there for us or themselves?
What is the point in having a strong CWU if they give us deals like this? Are they there for us or themselves?
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genesis
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Re: MY CONCLUSION ON THE 2010 TRANSFORMATION DEAL
One troublesome issue would be the top 10% workers being a bench mark for everyone else:
Could be the fastest walkers ,fastest sorters , Bosses favorite etc ,age related issues younger people generally quicker ,as older posties once were.
And how do you decide the top 10% anyhow A national league?
Could be the fastest walkers ,fastest sorters , Bosses favorite etc ,age related issues younger people generally quicker ,as older posties once were.
And how do you decide the top 10% anyhow A national league?
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Re: MY CONCLUSION ON THE 2010 TRANSFORMATION DEAL
Doesn't the agreement also state about the rounds having refreshment facilities. (bogs i think they meant there), for when out on delivery for so long. Also it mentions being able to only work your "contracted hours". Damn nice of then to say that. Mind you is that. you can work your contracted hours long as you are prepared to be bullied and harrassed by managers to complete using any foul method at there disposal such as indoor working tool, not working hard enough. or flexible outdoor tool 
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spilie
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Re: MY CONCLUSION ON THE 2010 TRANSFORMATION DEAL
genesis i think while they are happy to take the 75% /25% split nationaly, they will cherry pick the 10% from wherever they like
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proper postie
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How is that even possible if you are,say for instance,delivering a new development where the nearest shops etc are miles away?Postal1 wrote:Doesn't the agreement also state about the rounds having refreshment facilities. (bogs i think they meant there), for when out on delivery for so long. Also it mentions being able to only work your "contracted hours". Damn nice of then to say that. Mind you is that. you can work your contracted hours long as you are prepared to be bullied and harrassed by managers to complete using any foul method at there disposal such as indoor working tool, not working hard enough. or flexible outdoor tool
Will they designate a house that you can chap the door to drop off a steamy log?
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REDLETTER
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Re: MY CONCLUSION ON THE 2010 TRANSFORMATION DEAL
I want a T-shirt with that on!profit mongering bonus whores
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TrueBlueTerrier
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Thanks glad you appreciated that partREDLETTER wrote:I want a T-shirt with that on!profit mongering bonus whores
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