Cant See The Sense

[andy2007]

Are they doing the job properly?
If so: Why does it matter, if they swap walks with each other. So long as they don't change the content, or route, of the walks?
If on the other hand, they're doing unpaid overtime, using their cars, carrying too much weight, etc.. Then I can understand you being p****d off with them.

Or am I missing something?

[Ernie Shoe]

Gone Postal,
Totally understand where your'e coming from.
Royal mail through executive action have allocated the walks which will only slow productivity; their mess they've created it.
The lads that are swapping are idiots; helping RM get out of this mess by doing jobs they know better - more productive for Rm.
Why are so many postman amost scared to do a walk they don't know.
I do a new walk every so often - big deal.
I bet you feel it was a waste of time walking out.

[andy2007]

Gone Postal,
Totally understand where your'e coming from.
Royal mail through executive action have allocated the walks which will only slow productivity; their mess they've created it.
The lads that are swapping are idiots; helping RM get out of this mess by doing jobs they know better - more productive for Rm.
Why are so many postman amost scared to do a walk they don't know.
I do a new walk every so often - big deal.
I bet you feel it was a waste of time walking out.

Why?
Like you just said yourself: Plenty of Posties have to change walks from time to time. So although there will be some who will have been taken off good walks, to be put on bad ones. Which obviously causes problems for them. But as far as productivity for RM, is concerned. Any problems, should be short lived. So those who're swapping walks, aren't really helping RM at all. They're just helping each other. Isn't that a good thing?
Particularly at a time like this.

However: If the loss of 5 walks, and a Driving Duty, have increased the workload to the point, where it's going to result in loads of cut-offs, if people do the job properly (which I assume it has). And assuming that people stick to it. Then there's still a chance of getting something done about the situation. Have you seen this yet? http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 1&p=179436" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It just shows, how much the pressure is showing, from Posties standing up for themselves, and each other.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Are they doing the job properly?
If so: Why does it matter, if they swap walks with each other. So long as they don't change the content, or route, of the walks?
If on the other hand, they're doing unpaid overtime, using their cars, carrying too much weight, etc.. Then I can understand you being p****d off with them.

Or am I missing something?

Slightly - if you know an area you deliver faster because your more confident of your knowledge of the area. If however, you are new to it, you double check the road names, the house numbers and names. Sometimes on hard to find addresses it can take ages to find it (ie 1A or even 1fa5 ) or if a house has a name but no number displayed you question yourself if you should put the post through. All these little things slow you down so a new walk takes longer to do.

Also when you know a delivery you know which alleyways and official short cuts you can use, where the toilets are etc.

I have sympathy with both the Posties "GonePostal" is and he himself.

1. The posties want an easy life and feel more comfortable delivering in an area they know.
2. If they did the duties as laid down by management they would not get as much done as they would on their old duty. therefore there would be more opportunity to recoup money from OT and it would also demonstrate to management that chnages through agreement is better and more productive than changes through diktat.

However, most of these things would not be apparent to non delivery posties, this is one of the cases where to gain an insight you really have to walk the walk for a decent amount of time. Hence why we get frustrated by people who haven't thinking each and every duty is exactly the same.

[spilie]

totally agree with gone postal, this is what is wrong all over when action is forced on us instead of going along with it and showing it doesnt work, we shoot ourselves in the foot because "we know that walk better" or "i should have that walk" and its not for everyones benefit oh no its for selfish reasons, and RM know this thats why most of the exec action they have taken has gone through and is working in offices, take lapsing full time staff run up thier walks and then rush out with the extra and still have time for a break, then they strike about the changes!!!! about time we done things RM`s way then we would grind to a halt

[justin time]

feel sorry for you gone postal ..i think you should get everyone together and remind them why they have lost 4 days pay!!!...they should be doing whatever duty they were assigned by royal mail,isnt that one of the reasons you went out for?...so it beggers belief that they should start swapping duties just to make life easier for themselves ..do they not realise they are helping rm?..bet the boss is laughing to himself!...i suppose its true you cant teach an old dog new tricks!!!!

[lekker]

feel sorry for you gone postal ..i think you should get everyone together and remind them why they have lost 4 days pay!!!...they should be doing whatever duty they were assigned by royal mail,isnt that one of the reasons you went out for?...so it beggers belief that they should start swapping duties just to make life easier for themselves ..do they not realise they are helping rm?..bet the boss is laughing to himself!...i suppose its true you cant teach an old dog new tricks!!!!

Trouble is- everyone wants a quiet life and a quick fix to every problem. Swapping walks is helping management and is the first step to then trying to make these changes work by cutting corners, etc. I think we need to remember that we are dealing with an agressive and hostile management and what we do today will affect us for the rest of our time with RM

[spilie]

gone postal i bet it`s the senior staff moaning the most as it always is, tell you what ask them for thier solutions and see what the so called experinced staff have to offer

[shadow]

should tell them they'll get grass stains if they keep rolling over for royalfail. Possibly a big boot print on their heads.

[lekker]

gone postal i bet it`s the senior staff moaning the most as it always is, tell you what ask them for thier solutions and see what the so called experinced staff have to offer

I take issue with this to be honest. In our office it is mainly the senior men who are putting up the fight and taking the brunt of the bullying. The junior guys, the ones with the most to lose, are the ones tear-arsing around in their cars. We've got blokes with over 30 years service on the reserve and being buggered about and sent to other offices.

So let's have a bit less of this junior/senior man divide. Because a lot of it is in your own mind mate

[spilie]

lekker get real we all know who has the cushy jobs and that is done on seniority as people on here have said before they deserve it cause they had to do the crap deliveries when they started so stop the crap, seniority is not the best but is the one i agree with so thats the end of that as for ruining the job who did that? as for protecting full time great but for the last 12 years not much fight to create more full time just try and save what weve got stuff anybody just coming in and looking to become full time,and if you are saying that your office has senior staff who are reserves and dont have the SA,night shift and all other cushy overtime carved up between them then its the only office so get pis*ed of all you want just dont talk crap

[lekker]

lekker get real we all know who has the cushy jobs and that is done on seniority as people on here have said before they deserve it cause they had to do the crap deliveries when they started so stop the crap, seniority is not the best but is the one i agree with so thats the end of that as for ruining the job who did that? as for protecting full time great but for the last 12 years not much fight to create more full time just try and save what weve got stuff anybody just coming in and looking to become full time,and if you are saying that your office has senior staff who are reserves and dont have the SA,night shift and all other cushy overtime carved up between them then its the only office so get pis*ed of all you want just dont talk crap

I love you too mate and I've seen plenty like you in my years with RM. I don't know where you work but this divide that you are so hung-up on does not happen in my office. never has to be honest. Seniority is no bad thing as it comes to everyone in time and is the fairest way of doing things. if you are so hard done by in your office then why not do something about it ? run for rep for a start and get things changed if they are that bad. SA, overtime or whatever are not the preserve of any particular group and should be allocated fairly. you got the gob son - go for it

[spilie]

oh ok sorry i dreamt it all so if its ok with you i will go to the office tomorrow and grab one of the cushy jobs and take the SA from all my fellow buddies who just want to be fair and share so i will let you know how that goes ok then as you say i will stand for rep and all the caring sharing chaps will vote for me and well you know the rest, we can all be like your office one big happy family where the longesting serving staff take the worst duties and dont exercise thier right to seniority ,i have seen your kind for many years on the gravy train and taking up 2 seats, so go and practice what you preach

[TrueBlueTerrier]

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