Seasonal Variation - 24mins vs 10mins

[HTPostman]

Hope a new thread on this is allowed as there’s a few of us in the same boat.

I am on a 4 day week - 4 set days a week. Each day, I work (or did work) the exact same duty hours as those working a 5 day week. My contract is 28 hours and X minutes (I’m being careful not to identify myself).

I was initially told because I’m part time, I am to do 10 mins a day extra. That was recently rescinded by my manager, she said because I’m working full time hours on the days I am here, I am therefore to start 24 minutes earlier.

My union rep confirmed the manager is correct. I have since been in touch with HR who say because I’m part time, I should only be doing 10 minutes.

Utterly confusing. Does anyone know for sure where I stand? The LTB is open to interpretation and doesn’t really clarify one way or another.

[ted_e_bear]

I'd say that HR are correct as the difference in times is governed by contract hours, daily attendance isn't mentioned.

Just a thought but have you checked your leave on the people app to see how they've adjusted it ?

[SMS1969]

I’m on a 30 hour 4 day fixed day contract. I do 10 minutes, even though I work full time hours for the four days I’m in.

[HTPostman]

Thank you both of you for the replies.

Again I won’t give my exact leave hours, but it’s gone from me owing (let’s say) 2 hours 10 minutes, to me now owing 2 hours 50 minutes.

However in the updated LTB FAQ it does say this:

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[ted_e_bear]

Ah so looks like you're going to have to do 24 then.

[SMS1969]

Ah so looks like you're going to have to do 24 then.

I wouldn’t trust my COM to make the necessary adjustment, so I’m keeping quiet and doing 10 minutes

[theotherone]

There is something that contradicts this and says due to limitations within PSP any PT should be only 10 mins (PT being<35hours)

[einastronaut]

There is something that contradicts this and says due to limitations within PSP any PT should be only 10 mins (PT being<35hours)

There is. This was posted by Woodie Guthrie, who I believe is a union rep, in another thread from the FAQ that accompanied the briefing:

[Foxel]

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If you are PT and you work a full time shift and therefor work 24 minutes extra there is no guarantee you''' get back all the time you've worked over.

The only way any extra time worked can be accounted for is by Part-timers doing 10 minutes extra regardless of what shift they are doing and Full-timers doing 24 minutes. Any variation will result in the incorrect retuned hours.

It is scary that your rep doesn't;t understand that, sure a manger will try there best to screw you though.

[jessicarabbit]

Version 1 of RM FAQ document stated the 10 mins due to PSP limitation.

Version 2 stated 24 mins if covering a full timers daily hours regardless of contract status. It was piss poorly communicated and nobody really knows or cares. Half of our office haven't even bothered coming in early bit you can bet your bottom dollar they will take the full amount back in the summer.

Personally I would keep a personal record of what I have done each week to make sure I get back what I gave for free. Essentially though it might not matter if the business goes to the wall in October anyway...

[tansorboy]

Whatever agree on make sure you work either 24 or 10 minutes LESS in the summer period to get the time back.

[Clappedoutpostie]

I’m now on a 4 day week. I’m doing 24 minutes a day, I will be taking back 24 minutes a day in the summer no matter what.

[Hyrrokkin]

Version 1 of RM FAQ document stated the 10 mins due to PSP limitation.

Version 2 stated 24 mins if covering a full timers daily hours regardless of contract status. It was piss poorly communicated and nobody really knows or cares. Half of our office haven't even bothered coming in early bit you can bet your bottom dollar they will take the full amount back in the summer.

Personally I would keep a personal record of what I have done each week to make sure I get back what I gave for free. Essentially though it might not matter if the business goes to the wall in October anyway...

What's happening in October ?

[tramssirhc]

Where an employee has a part time contract but works the shift times of a full time duty on their days of attendance they will attend 24 minutes earlier. If the part time employee works shift times of a part time duty (in other words less than the full time attendance on that day) they will attend 10 minutes earlier. The intention with this clause was to ensure that where a full time duty has been shared between two employees that the full time duty attendances are covered.

[einastronaut]

Where an employee has a part time contract but works the shift times of a full time duty on their days of attendance they will attend 24 minutes earlier. If the part time employee works shift times of a part time duty (in other words less than the full time attendance on that day) they will attend 10 minutes earlier. The intention with this clause was to ensure that where a full time duty has been shared between two employees that the full time duty attendances are covered.

There is no mechanism to keep track of how many full time duties (with 24 mins variation) and part time duties (with 10 mins variation) a part timer/reservist covers over each seasonal period, so there will be no way of ensuring they get the same amount of time back in the summer.

While the preference of the company will obviously be to maximize the amount of unpaid labour they can finagle with word salad out an employee. As written, any contract less than 35 hours is 10 minutes, for the above reason. Otherwise the employee will invariably end up working extra hours for free, to the benefit of the employer and the detriment of the employee.