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What's being forced through where you are?

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Kenfandango
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What's being forced through where you are?

Post by Kenfandango »

In my DO, as of tomorrow...
No early starts for PTers even if there's 2 on a double duty.
SA down to 3 days a week
Overtime only being offered to FT staff
Collection routes consolidated into a couple of massive ones, callers office staff being asked to do them

Additionally revisions happening "within a few weeks," and all staff have been told that as of march 1st our start and finish times are an hour later. Our rep says that's just the stuff they're telling us about
eastie
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Re: What's being forced through where you are?

Post by eastie »

What area are you?
Ppat98
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Re: What's being forced through where you are?

Post by Ppat98 »

Kenfandango wrote:
23 Jan 2023, 21:29
In my DO, as of tomorrow...
No early starts for PTers even if there's 2 on a double duty.
SA down to 3 days a week
Overtime only being offered to FT staff
Collection routes consolidated into a couple of massive ones, callers office staff being asked to do them

Additionally revisions happening "within a few weeks," and all staff have been told that as of march 1st our start and finish times are an hour later. Our rep says that's just the stuff they're telling us about
Only thing our office has in common with yours is the manager announced revisions will be happening within the next few weeks. No ot is being given out as our walks are being absorbed.

Your office sounds militant. What's the logic of only offering it to full timer's?
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Re: What's being forced through where you are?

Post by Kenfandango »

eastie wrote:
23 Jan 2023, 22:00
What area are you?
South East, large
Kenfandango
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Re: What's being forced through where you are?

Post by Kenfandango »

Ppat98 wrote:
24 Jan 2023, 00:08
Your office sounds militant. What's the logic of only offering it to full timer's?
I assume it's part of their PT Vs FT agenda: really hit the pay packets of the lowest paid while they're being asked to vote for more unpaid IA
kazardaimenu
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Re: What's being forced through where you are?

Post by kazardaimenu »

Sounds like they’re trying to force PT staff to quit.
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Re: What's being forced through where you are?

Post by guardianangel »

Its the pressure they are applying now ,they have advisors on how to bust unions and this is one of them telling you how much is going to change and there is nothing you or the union can do,(which is legally right) but and a big but we still at the moment in this country have the right to strike and getting a big yes vote and continuing with strike action puts a big spanner in their agenda,keep highlighting the wrongs they are doing to everyone out there,stay strong and together and lets show these few and i mean few elitists that we will never surrender so they best move onto another company to make their millions, IM VOTING YES !!!!!!
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Re: What's being forced through where you are?

Post by Barnacle »

It’s an overtime ban by another name but it shoots themselves in the arse because it will result in a backlog of mail which they are now under scrutiny to clear because of Thompson’s lies.

They have to pay overtime: yesterday I was going to run an hour over so I gave the com the option of either I bring it back or they pay the extra hour. They paid the extra hour.

They are expecting us to clear for nothing. Don’t give them that as an option.

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Re: What's being forced through where you are?

Post by redlen »

They cannot exclude the part-time workers from any overtime available.

Less favourable treatment of part-time workers
5.—(1) A part-time worker has the right not to be treated by his employer less favourably than the employer treats a comparable full-time worker—

(a)as regards the terms of his contract; or
(b)by being subjected to any other detriment by any act, or deliberate failure to act, of his employer.
(2) The right conferred by paragraph (1) applies only if—

(a)the treatment is on the ground that the worker is a part-time worker, and
(b)the treatment is not justified on objective grounds.
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Re: What's being forced through where you are?

Post by norris9 »

X amount of walks being axed and added to existing walks.

This is all I have heard about so far.

Mail will continue to be delayed indefinitely. USO failures on a huge scale continue for another year.



If people started taking their breaks that would screw their plans and the backlog would be daily. At some point the government / ofcom will surely have to step in.
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Re: What's being forced through where you are?

Post by midegarelu »

guardianangel wrote:
24 Jan 2023, 05:42
Its the pressure they are applying now ,they have advisors on how to bust unions and this is one of them telling you how much is going to change and there is nothing you or the union can do,(which is legally right) but and a big but we still at the moment in this country have the right to strike and getting a big yes vote and continuing with strike action puts a big spanner in their agenda,keep highlighting the wrongs they are doing to everyone out there,stay strong and together and lets show these few and i mean few elitists that we will never surrender so they best move onto another company to make their millions, IM VOTING YES !!!!!!


Inform said managers that what they are doing is Union busting.

Then remind them about their Union.

Stand back and watch the penny drop!

:arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh

I'M VOTING YES.




edit: I'VE VOTED YES. :cuppa :cuppa :cuppa
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FilthyBloke
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Re: What's being forced through where you are?

Post by FilthyBloke »

norris9 wrote:
24 Jan 2023, 07:37
X amount of walks being axed and added to existing walks.

This is all I have heard about so far.

Mail will continue to be delayed indefinitely. USO failures on a huge scale continue for another year.



If people started taking their breaks that would screw their plans and the backlog would be daily. At some point the government / ofcom will surely have to step in.

Same here. Overtime has gone. Barely anyone needed to work day off.
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Re: What's being forced through where you are?

Post by Ppat98 »

After seeing that union live talk yesterday, it has to be a Yes vote for me. I was thinking what's the point before but Dave & Andy exposed Simon & the board even more last night makes it a no brainer.

They showed that clip of how Simon changed the criteria for how they receive bonuses. Supposed to be based on company performance but they changed it to value given to shareholders. Unbelievable.

Just proves everything the union has said to be correct. Definitely need Thompson out. Vote Yes
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Re: What's being forced through where you are?

Post by rambo1 »

kazardaimenu wrote:
24 Jan 2023, 03:49
Sounds like they’re trying to force PT staff to quit.
Some people choose to be PT and don't want any OT believe it or not.
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Re: What's being forced through where you are?

Post by stevejm »

redlen wrote:
24 Jan 2023, 06:32
They cannot exclude the part-time workers from any overtime available.

Less favourable treatment of part-time workers
5.—(1) A part-time worker has the right not to be treated by his employer less favourably than the employer treats a comparable full-time worker—

(a)as regards the terms of his contract; or
(b)by being subjected to any other detriment by any act, or deliberate failure to act, of his employer.
(2) The right conferred by paragraph (1) applies only if—

(a)the treatment is on the ground that the worker is a part-time worker, and
(b)the treatment is not justified on objective grounds.

part time workers are almost never on a saturday rest day rota - so there goes any compliance right there