seniority

Post by **drevil1969uk** » 26 Mar 2008, 00:44

Im not unsenior if that makes sense, but how valid is seniority thses days as in how is it still legal? There has to be a way of picking duties etc i totally agree but im not sure this system works anymore

Post by **evilc** » 26 Mar 2008, 14:07

drevil1969uk wrote:Im not unsenior if that makes sense, but how valid is seniority thses days as in how is it still legal? There has to be a way of picking duties etc i totally agree but im not sure this system works anymore

If someone can think of an alternative that does not discriminate against, sex,colour,race,religion,lesbian,gay and of course the amount of time you have worked for rm then I am all ears.

Post by **janitor** » 26 Mar 2008, 14:28

How is seniority discriminatory .

Post by **POSTMAN** » 26 Mar 2008, 14:42

Check out the poll.

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/forum/vi ... php?t=4196

Post by **drevil1969uk** » 27 Mar 2008, 00:00

im a part timer and a full time job came up. I applied, along with another ag who started at the same time as me, for a full time job and he got it, cos he was older, yet we started at same time, so it discriminated against me cos i was younger. This is illegal under a newish labour law, Therefore how can seniority still be valid in such circumstances. Rather than by how good they could do the job it was given to someone based on there age.

I have an idea of a way to solve it one is an idea thats probably hardly to manage but fairer. Stagger employing people and make them start at the bottom and as things are at the moment pick the best candidate for each job

Post by **drevil1969uk** » 27 Mar 2008, 00:12

im a part timer and a full time job came up. I applied, along with another ag who started at the same time as me, for a full time job and he got it, cos he was older, yet we started at same time, so it discriminated against me cos i was younger. This is illegal under a newish labour law, Therefore how can seniority still be valid in such circumstances. Rather than by how good they could do the job it was given to someone based on there age.

Post by **janitor** » 27 Mar 2008, 07:57

I've only been with RM 12 years, there are people been in the job longer than me, some older some younger, their seniority will get them the pick of the jobs should a resign occur, i understood this when i took the job, i have no problem with it, as for best person for the job who decides, too much scope for favoritism.

jafferpants · Post by **jafferpants** » 27 Mar 2008, 09:37

I cant believe this topic still keeps coming up. How many of those against seniority would let me take their place at the front of a queue for tickets etc- or would you say " Hold on a minute i was here first." End of story.

Post by **drevil1969uk** » 27 Mar 2008, 09:37

still illegal tho whatever way you look at it, i agree there has to be a way of picking jobs but the current system is over 100 years old isnt it?

jafferpants · Post by **jafferpants** » 27 Mar 2008, 09:46

drevil1969uk wrote:still illegal tho whatever way you look at it, i agree there has to be a way of picking jobs but the current system is over 100 years old isnt it?

So am i

Phantom · Post by **Phantom** » 27 Mar 2008, 10:02

drevil1969uk wrote:still illegal tho whatever way you look at it, i agree there has to be a way of picking jobs but the current system is over 100 years old isnt it?

Its not illegal, if 2 people start at the same time then it usually goes on test results and not age. If age was used as the decider then this is the discrimination part of it and so you can seek legal advice.

But seniority is based on length of service.

Post by **drevil1969uk** » 27 Mar 2008, 11:09

i started with about 10 other people and the seniority that we were all given, based just on us lot was sorted via our age.

Post by **trythat** » 27 Mar 2008, 11:32

drevil1969uk wrote:im a part timer and a full time job came up. I applied, along with another ag who started at the same time as me, for a full time job and he got it, cos he was older, yet we started at same time, so it discriminated against me cos i was younger. This is illegal under a newish labour law, Therefore how can seniority still be valid in such circumstances. Rather than by how good they could do the job it was given to someone based on there age.

I have an idea of a way to solve it one is an idea thats probably hardly to manage but fairer. Stagger employing people and make them start at the bottom and as things are at the moment pick the best candidate for each job

I had something similar, what we did was toss a coin for it. Both of us thought this fair as we started same day, another option that has been used is Alphabetically.
I prefer the toss of the coin, you both get a fair chance of getting it.

Post by **dvbuk55** » 27 Mar 2008, 12:34

jafferpants wrote:
drevil1969uk wrote:still illegal tho whatever way you look at it, i agree there has to be a way of picking jobs but the current system is over 100 years old isnt it?

So am i

Obviously you grey haired old get.

Post by **dvbuk55** » 27 Mar 2008, 12:44

You are right to say there is an illegality but you have it the wrong way round, age discrimination started last October and you couldn't discriminate against anyone because of their age - ie old.

Though on the subject of seniority, there are now so many exceptions and preferences it hardly seems worthwhile to pursue it and I do believe that the agreement on seniority is fast becoming under serious threat, the CWU are no longer as adamant as they once were that it be sustained - though IMO it is still the fairest way of deciding who should have which duty, given a level playing field, which of course it no longer is.

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