Table Top Revision. 37hrs and 35 hrs. Meal relief.???

[DaveF14]

Currently in the final stages of a table top revision.

Small office with around 20 deliverers. We have a fairly new DOM who has fallen out with our union rep. The union rep has taken full charge of the revision. Is this possible? He has limited experience of the whole office working as a day off cover then moving onto a duty holder. The rep has asked no duty holder for advice and has held a few discussions with day off and holiday covers only. He said he has done this to the letter. Is that correct? No focus group meeting with duty holders and the most experienced posties in the office.

With the short working week and full timers losing another 1 hour off their weekly contract, full timers are now down to 37 hours in our office and less than full timers remaining at 35 hours. Full timers work load getting squeezed every year. Am I right in saying that a full timer on a 37, keeps their daily meal relief at 40 mins per day, and someone on a 35 hour week at 30 mins a day?? Doing the maths gives a difference of 1hour 10 mins a week and 14 mins a day of a difference? Has revisions in other offices implemented these changes and what did you change to balance these workloads out?

With a small office our IPS in the mornings takes between 40-50 minutes a day with all full timers taking part and double prepping, then going onto framing up own duties, tie down and deliver. While 35 hour contracts do no IPS, frame up their own duty, tie down and deliver. Should they now be taking part in IPS? Take on extra delivery? How have other offices implemented and come up with a solution that has balanced the contracts out??

Next year the difference between a 36 and a 35 is 2 mins a day. Am i right?

Some full time duties have had 30 mins plus added to their deliveries, claiming on average 1-3 hours of OT a week, with 12 minutes taken off the working week and 35 hour contacts workload not getting anything added, is there cause for a grievance? What is the correct process to go down?

Thank you.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Currently in the final stages of a table top revision.

Small office with around 20 deliverers. We have a fairly new DOM who has fallen out with our union rep. The union rep has taken full charge of the revision. Is this possible? He has limited experience of the whole office working as a day off cover then moving onto a duty holder. The rep has asked no duty holder for advice and has held a few discussions with day off and holiday covers only. He said he has done this to the letter. Is that correct? No focus group meeting with duty holders and the most experienced posties in the office.

You should get a vote on it even if he has done all the work, also the land he has come up with should be displayed to anyone who wants can view them. At least that's what happen here.

With the short working week and full timers losing another 1 hour off their weekly contract, full timers are now down to 37 hours in our office and less than full timers remaining at 35 hours. Full timers work load getting squeezed every year. Am I right in saying that a full timer on a 37, keeps their daily meal relief at 40 mins per day, and someone on a 35 hour week at 30 mins a day??

Unofrtunately you are not right on breaks.

Breaks are based on attendance, not on contract. You could have an 8-hour contract employee working 1 day a week they then get 40 minutes of meal relief. But if he worked 2 hours a day he wouldn't get an official meal relief.

Doing the maths gives a difference of 1hour 10 mins a week and 14 mins a day of a difference? Has revisions in other offices implemented these changes and what did you change to balance these workloads out?

With a small office our IPS in the mornings takes between 40-50 minutes a day with all full timers taking part and double prepping, then going onto framing up own duties, tie down and deliver. While 35 hour contracts do no IPS, frame up their own duty, tie down and deliver. Should they now be taking part in IPS? Take on extra delivery? How have other offices implemented and come up with a solution that has balanced the contracts out??

The work plan is amended locally but as 35-hour posties will remain on the same contract, any additional work added to their duty, will by necessity mean a reduction in time for other tasks. This is where the efficiency bit comes in

Next year the difference between a 36 and a 35 is 2 mins a day. Am i right?

Not sure what you mean here, but the final reduction has not been agreed yet (I may be wrong)

Some full-time duties have had 30 mins plus added to their deliveries, claiming on average 1-3 hours of OT a week, with 12 minutes taken off the working week and 35-hour contacts workload not getting anything added, is there cause for a grievance? What is the correct process to go down?

Thank you.

You could put a grievance in if you don't get to vote on it, but in the first place, I would go to the area rep with your concerns if the local rep is not entertaining discussion.

Adding work to duties is part of the efficiency savings to get the 1-hour reduction in the working week, which is why you should get a vote on it. So, and it's only an opinion, a grievance would not be appropriate. Also, if, as you suggested earlier, 35hr contracts get extra indoor work, and the FT get extra outdoor work its all part of the efficiency savings. Indeed, depending on the plan put forward, it is even possible that it could be a mixture of both for all.

TLDR - you should get a vote on it.

[DaveF14]

Thank you for the reply.

We are voting on it this week. No duty holder got a say. Voting on one union rep who has come up with a plan himself, with very little input from day off covers and limited experience and knowledge of how all the deliveries work.

My point on the meal reliefs are more about workload than the 30/40 minutes break time between a 37 and 35 hour contract. Full timers work load getting squeezed every year.
For example, an average day mail wise in our office and duty span.

[35 HOUR] [37 HOUR]

IPS/ DOUBLE PREP (0 MINS) / (40-50 MINS)
FRAME UP/TIE DOWN/VAN (40-6O MINS) / (40-60 MINS)
DELIVERY (5HRS30 MINS) / (5HRS30MINS)
MEAL RELIEF (30 MINS) / (40 MINS)

The full timers workload is far greater than the 35 hour contract. The table you showed says that the full timer can take an extra 10 mins break. We have a new start time proposed for 6:06 and finish time of 13:30. A 35 hour contract coming in 24 minutes later and also a 13:30 finish time. How can the full timer, who's workload is getting squeezed every year, complete IPS in 24 minutes, with an extra 10 mins meal relief a day? The 35 hour wandering in, nothing changed to their shift at all. Am I wrong? Doesn't seem fair to me.

[Dexydog]

Perhaps when you have 5 sets of d2d, they'll throw themselves in.
It's just getting silly now.

[Chelseablue]

How many offices have had any input from staff and if so been listened too ? Or is georoute a god?

[Grumpyoldmailman]

How many offices have had any input from staff and if so been listened too ? Or is georoute a god?

They don’t want input from staff so the only input they will get is when it goes to a vote. I can’t believe the union are standing and watching what is going on, I have mates in several offices who all say the whole thing is/will be a disaster.

[clashcityrocker]

They don’t want input from staff so the only input they will get is when it goes to a vote.

We never had a vote.

[DaveF14]

The union, or the union rep in this case, has been laughable. One person, with limited experience making all the decisions.

[Jpro747]

We didn’t get a vote either, they fudged it through and most are still claiming OT to complete their duties.

[Smir]

We didn’t get a vote either, they fudged it through and most are still claiming OT to complete their duties.

stop claiming and taking it back...

they have reduced several duties ( in our office down to 25 hours from 30, or 30 from full time), now those guys will still go in early but just book it as overtime.. RM get away with less holiday pay, other allowances etc... such a dodgy thing to do, our union guy doesn't seem to care.