HTPostman wrote:The main thing I want the union to look at is everyone working every minute, it’s absurd someone goes home 2 hours early, then I’m paid 2 hours to do some overtime.
The holiday pay situation needs sorting and quickly, the longer it’s delayed the bigger the bill, which incidentally I can see having a huge impact on RMs financial position.
The previous comments regarding flexibility should work both ways. If Royal Mail want Pat to work on biground avenue tomorrow then if Pat wants a day off at short notice - he should get the day off as requested as well. Royal Mail previously made a big thing about work-life balance, so I'm not sure how Royal Mail could then start demanding that staff have to work extra to get a delivery done if someone needs to pick their kids up from school at 3pm.
The Union want staff to work all their hours but its Royal Mail that are allowing staff to leave early or manage to get 2 hours overtime in within their hours.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
SpacePhoenix wrote:They'll just bring in outdoor performance standards first. I wouldn't be surprised to see performance standards widely rolled out in DOs (both indoor and outdoor), MCs and RDCs within the next couple of years
Don’t we already have them though, the ones who do the job properly get grief because they take longer and the ones who carve up duty’s and dump stuff everywhere get rewarded with ghost overtime/early finishes. Whatever happens next I can’t see it going well because the mentality of it all is so ingrained.
A2B wrote:
RM want the shorter working week as our rate of pay will go up without them paying out for it
Well, initially they did. It was in the 4 pillars agreement that they would commit towards a move to a 35 hour working week by 2022 but then Rico showed up and reneged on the agreement and said it was unfordable to take another hour off of the working week. Its ironic that a company that keeps informing us that we have falling mail volumes and increased parcel automation (giving us less indoor time) in the pipeline should be unwilling to allow a SWW don't you think?
Can't see how parcel automation results in less indoor time in DOs unless it sorts it to walk level. It'll have more affect in MCs as (in theory) a lot less packet staff and probably eventually Tracked staff will be needed
The rumours in this place are worse than anywhere i have worked.you ask RM /cwu they say dont know.Then somebody from there inner circle get told info passes that on, then bullshit.Akways said i wat till i see it in black and white.Wot i do like us all the positives that hace happened since Rico gone!!!!!!. Our office staff come in early ( including Reps).Why dont managers stop them as they go to fittings.When asked they say the walks to much and thats why they come in early. The job does need to change ands its good to have a job.Take a look in the real world to see wots happening to jobs.We luckly.If staff dont want to work there go then.Soory for being so blunt but hey, cwu got no power,RM going to do wot they want.
GRS wrote:I hope that RM are looking at us collecting returned items from peoples houses on our way round. With the amount of parcels being delivered you can’t tell me that everyone is happy with their purchase or receiving items that fit them etc. It would be so easy for us to pick up returns whilst out there and we need to capitalise on it now whilst volumes are so high. Strike while the irons hot not get round to it in 2 or 3 years time. Will be a big money spinner.
Where you gonna put it our bags are heavy enough taking stuff out with collecting more on the way round!
My bag is never heavy as its on a mandatory trolley
HTPostman wrote:The main thing I want the union to look at is everyone working every minute, it’s absurd someone goes home 2 hours early, then I’m paid 2 hours to do some overtime.
Clocking in and out should put a stop to that, it was all over RMTV in Feb so I’m guessing the virus has put that on hold like a lot of other things. Productivity and morale is going to fall through the floor though as all the early finishers are just going to drag it out. In a lot of places locally managers know this and will struggle to cover work if the ghosters are pissed off.
Monitoring the workforce is not the job of the CWU, managers are there to manage.
No doubt the CWU have been confronted with PDA data during the pay talks, i thought early finishes and ghosting would have gone by now but it's only a matter of time, i'd welcome clocking in personally it would but an end to lots of bad feeling in the office.
Gotta say I've never worked anywhere before where conning your employer into paying your full wage when you chuck it in before your basic minimum wasn't appropriately penalised.
I suppose it'll naturally happen though if all your attendances are done on pen and paper.
GRS wrote:I hope that RM are looking at us collecting returned items from peoples houses on our way round. With the amount of parcels being delivered you can’t tell me that everyone is happy with their purchase or receiving items that fit them etc. It would be so easy for us to pick up returns whilst out there and we need to capitalise on it now whilst volumes are so high. Strike while the irons hot not get round to it in 2 or 3 years time. Will be a big money spinner.
Where you gonna put it our bags are heavy enough taking stuff out with collecting more on the way round!
My bag is never heavy as its on a mandatory trolley
snap I haven't carried a bag for over 10 years since p&l started at our place , and never will as this was the best thing r/m and the cwu have ever done .
97gaz wrote:There is only one reason the review into the USO was brought forward and that was because it had to be at the companys request. OFCOM would have no reason to bring it forward otherwise.
I've been predicting for quite a while that when the review happens the first thing to go will be Saturday mail delivery. However I think this pandemic has been good for RMs case when we take into consideration the losses the company will have made. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that we are losing Saturdays and rural are moving to alternate days.
And for the posts above. The new route manager program will eventually have the ability to predict what you need to take out that day based on traffic.
Agree with you about the review gaz. One factor people should bear in mind is that OFCOM have previously said that (my highlighting):
In securing the provision of the universal service, we are required to have regard to two closely interrelated things: one is the need for the provision of the universal postal service to be financially sustainable (including the need for the universal service provider to make a reasonable commercial rate of return on the universal service); and the other is the need for the provision of the universal service to become efficient before the end of a reasonable period, and then remain efficient. We have both of these matters in mind when we exercise our functions in relation to the universal service.
If RM keep repeating that they are losing money, not making enough/any profit or can demonstrate that they are not making a reasonable commercial rate of return, then OFCOM may lean towards recommending relaxation of the 6 day delivery to the Govt for ratification in Parliament.
HTPostman wrote:The main thing I want the union to look at is everyone working every minute, it’s absurd someone goes home 2 hours early, then I’m paid 2 hours to do some overtime.
Clocking in and out should put a stop to that, it was all over RMTV in Feb so I’m guessing the virus has put that on hold like a lot of other things. Productivity and morale is going to fall through the floor though as all the early finishers are just going to drag it out. In a lot of places locally managers know this and will struggle to cover work if the ghosters are pissed off.
Monitoring the workforce is not the job of the CWU, managers are there to manage.
No doubt the CWU have been confronted with PDA data during the pay talks, i thought early finishes and ghosting would have gone by now but it's only a matter of time, i'd welcome clocking in personally it would but an end to lots of bad feeling in the office.
Gotta say I've never worked anywhere before where conning your employer into paying your full wage when you chuck it in before your basic minimum wasn't appropriately penalised.
I suppose it'll naturally happen though if all your attendances are done on pen and paper.
no I haven't either as overtime was over your time and not within your contracted paid hours and there was no problem with that , you clocked in and if you went over you got paid and you didn't sign a bit of paper in and out of the place ( well if you can be bothered ) and managers asking what excess you will be claiming today in a morning , and imo if they bring this in and it backfires on the company which it will as all the early starts for free , not taking breaks ,running round and not using methods would go out the window and then watch the s**t hit the fan .
HTPostman wrote:The main thing I want the union to look at is everyone working every minute, it’s absurd someone goes home 2 hours early, then I’m paid 2 hours to do some overtime.
Clocking in and out should put a stop to that, it was all over RMTV in Feb so I’m guessing the virus has put that on hold like a lot of other things. Productivity and morale is going to fall through the floor though as all the early finishers are just going to drag it out. In a lot of places locally managers know this and will struggle to cover work if the ghosters are pissed off.
Monitoring the workforce is not the job of the CWU, managers are there to manage.
No doubt the CWU have been confronted with PDA data during the pay talks, i thought early finishes and ghosting would have gone by now but it's only a matter of time, i'd welcome clocking in personally it would but an end to lots of bad feeling in the office.
Gotta say I've never worked anywhere before where conning your employer into paying your full wage when you chuck it in before your basic minimum wasn't appropriately penalised.
I suppose it'll naturally happen though if all your attendances are done on pen and paper.
no I haven't either as overtime was over your time and not within your contracted paid hours and there was no problem with that , you clocked in and if you went over you got paid and you didn't sign a bit of paper in and out of the place ( well if you can be bothered ) and managers asking what excess you will be claiming today in a morning , and imo if they bring this in and it backfires on the company which it will as all the early starts for free , not taking breaks ,running round and not using methods would go out the window and then watch the s**t hit the fan .
It’s going to be very interesting. Hopefully management keep an eye on things with clocking out; in a previous job on a Friday people would take it in turns to clock everyone out, so week 1 everyone would leave early afternoon to go to the pub while Joe stayed behind and clocked everyone out, then week 2 someone else’s turn.
I’d expect those of us who don’t ghost and only ask to be paid for the overtime we actually do won’t have a problem.
The day is gonna come when we’re all gonna have to testify.
The full year results are due on the 25th of this month so logic would say they will be announcing what changes/savings they are going to make before the 25th.
Regarding clocking in and out, it is perfectly reasonable to be introducing this if that is what happens, however I will eat my Royal Mail sun hat if local management put the Greggs down and actually monitor it at all. Even centralising it will not work as the enemy within will have their cards put through by helpful linos at the time of asking, such is the outright corruption in this company all in the name of the managerial bonus.
Would it be that we have to work to hours ( 8am -2pm for example) or duration to be flexible ( 630 am -1230pm), its the same duration of time but different start and finish times, i wonder if the system will be cleaver enough to pick it up, I only ask as no management has ever been able to tell me what my start/finish times are and my contract just says 25 hrs per week, no mention of how many days and when to start and finish.
It's 13 years since 'work your paid hours' was brought in.
Managers have consistently taken the easy route.
When or if clocking in and out happens.
Managers will consistently take the easy route.
It's the only Royal Mail constant.
, and imo if they bring this in and it backfires on the company which it will as all the early starts for free , not taking breaks ,running round and not using methods would go out the window and then watch the s**t hit the fan .