Campaigners unite to combat fascism

[clashcityrocker]

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YOU ARE LIKE THE THOUGHT POLICE.

Not really, he's just another one who likes to trot out someone else's thoughts and ideas without really understanding why, hence the silly bit on the end.
Like most advocates of either colour of extremism, anyone who cares to disagree or question must be a follower of the other brand.

May God preserve us from those blinkered extremists....

Is that really your best tman. I should have written half-educated
I believe in the benefits immigration has brought to this country over several hundred years. How does that make me a blinkered extremist?
I am not bothered by same sex relationships. Ditto?
I am not bothered by mixed race relationships. Ditto?
I believe in equality for all with no second class citizens, Ditto?
So who's ideas am I trotting out? And how do you know I don't understand them? (Bit patronizing that eh? )

[opgpat]

opgpat Whichever way you slice it Berlusconi is a fascist and a racist (err fact )

Despite the dubious reports you quote here I challenge you to make those claims in a court of law and prove them. He is not a fascist are you mental?!?! That's the SAME type of prejudice as saying all Roma gypsies are thieves! Which he hasn't said! And his comment on Obamas suntan was a compliment as he is similarly suntanned. He is very fond of Obama. He may think or know that Roma gypsies in Italy do a disproprtionate ammount of crime and that radical Islam is bad. Does that make him racist, or a pragmatist?

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Racist? No.
Likes the ladies? Maybe.

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Spot the Racist Fascist?

[opgpat]

half-educated tosser.

And you also suggested we were Nazi Pigs who should F.O.

Not very nice is it? Come on clash man, you shouldn't be aggressive and abusive to people just because you disagree with their political views. Isn't that actually the sign of a fascist?

Fascism: suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

I like British culture. The Savoy Operas for instance and that song "I've got him on a list! He never will be missed!" Being British is great. John Barnes, Ian Wright, Martin Offiah, Jacob Weiss VC, Rabbi Lionel Blue, Yasmin Alibhai Brown, Ikram Butt, Barnes Wallis, Ralph Vaughan Williams, Richard Burton. All British. Makes you proud to be British!

[opgpat]

Czech immigrant and Mosad agent Robert Maxwell - pension thief.
Egyptian Immigrant Mohamed Al Fayed serial conspiracy theorist, open treasoner and cash for questions MP briber.
Iranian born convicted Black Police Association head/senior policeman Ali Dizael.

A secret high-level Metropolitan police report has concluded that Muslim officers are more likely to become corrupt than white officers because of their cultural and family backgrounds.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/jun/1 ... opstories3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Iranian-born Shahrokh Mireskandari, represented Britain's highest ranking Asian officer Tarique Ghaffur, lied to Law Society about qualifications and stole hundeads of thousands of pounds.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z0gIzzixHm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And lets not forget the British born
Mohammad Sidique Khan, 30, of Dewsbury - suicide bomber, London 7/7
Hasib Mir Hussain, 18, of Holbeck, Leeds - suicide bomber, London 7/7
Shehzad Tanweer, 22, of Beeston, Leeds - suicide bomber, London 7/7

Immigration is a bit more complex an issue than talented black football players. We should open our doors because the Premier League will be more exciting? Every overpaid, here for the money immigrant player means another talented and promising British kid with true loyalty to his local club falls by the wayside. Great.

[BELIAL]

Oh dear We've changed

[borders]

opgpat, for someone who claims -- "However I don't support the BNP and have never said as much. fact
I've only ever voted Labour or Green Party. fact ", you seem to be in this a bit deep ? live and let live man , life is too short. your last post is b.....ks, there is bad in every race and religion, of course all of us white pure saxons are a bunch of goody two shoes are we not !!!

[norbert]

nice people - words of sporting wisdom '' Message to Mrs Erin Woods and Mrs Cheryl Cole.......... Ha Ha serves you right for not sticking to your own race....... you pair of black loving slags, you deserve everything that happens to you"

http://www.vote-no-to-bnp.co.uk/2010/02 ... jones.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

nice mates too http://politicalscrapbook.net/tag/mark-collett/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; "

"Being born and raised in London, like Beckford, isn’t enough for the oiks. Along with “Hitler will live forever”, the most notorious utterances of BNP director of publicity Mark Collett include accusing England midfielder Ashley Cole, who was also born in East London, of not being “ethnically British” and ”coming to this country”."

“Those darkies, coming over here, scoring our equalisers!”

A old BNP Red , White & Blue " festival Night of " Culture " video - sing a long with Skrewdriver http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcTtTxg6 ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Tman]

Not really, he's just another one who likes to trot out someone else's thoughts and ideas without really understanding why, hence the silly bit on the end.
Like most advocates of either colour of extremism, anyone who cares to disagree or question must be a follower of the other brand.

May God preserve us from those blinkered extremists....
Is that really your best tman. I should have written half-educated tosser.

I don't know what a "half-educated tosser" may be, but you saying that nicely proves my post above it. You can't have much of a point to put across if you so readily return to that particular level..

I believe in the benefits immigration has brought to this country over several hundred years. How does that make me a blinkered extremist?
I am not bothered by same sex relationships. Ditto?
I am not bothered by mixed race relationships. Ditto?
I believe in equality for all with no second class citizens, Ditto?
So who's ideas am I trotting out? And how do you know I don't understand them? (Bit patronizing that eh? )

So if someone is OK with all the things you list, then that person by definition can't hold extreme views?
So a Communist (purely for an example) who wasn't bothered by mixed or same sex marriages would have to return his membership card?
Maybe you had best stick to the insults; you can't go wrong with them, it seems.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

this thread is starting to get abusive - if any moderator or Administrator thinks 1 more insult has been posted on either side then I will suggest a 24 hour ban for the offender and Locking of the topic - All are hereby warned.

Keep it polite.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Czech immigrant and Mosad agent Robert Maxwell - pension thief.
Egyptian Immigrant Mohamed Al Fayed serial conspiracy theorist, open treasoner and cash for questions MP briber.
Iranian born convicted Black Police Association head/senior policeman Ali Dizael.

A secret high-level Metropolitan police report has concluded that Muslim officers are more likely to become corrupt than white officers because of their cultural and family backgrounds.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/jun/1 ... opstories3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Iranian-born Shahrokh Mireskandari, represented Britain's highest ranking Asian officer Tarique Ghaffur, lied to Law Society about qualifications and stole hundeads of thousands of pounds.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z0gIzzixHm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And lets not forget the British born
Mohammad Sidique Khan, 30, of Dewsbury - suicide bomber, London 7/7
Hasib Mir Hussain, 18, of Holbeck, Leeds - suicide bomber, London 7/7
Shehzad Tanweer, 22, of Beeston, Leeds - suicide bomber, London 7/7

Immigration is a bit more complex an issue than talented black football players. We should open our doors because the Premier League will be more exciting? Every overpaid, here for the money immigrant player means another talented and promising British kid with true loyalty to his local club falls by the wayside. Great.

I am sure I could list loads of "white" British people who have raped women, who have killed children. We all know of 2 English women who are currently being investigated or have been charged with abusing children. 2 English people in the 60s killed children on the moors round where I live, in the 70/80s Peter Sutcliffe a Yorkshire trucker killed prostitutes and other women.

The race or beliefs of the criminal committing those crimes has no bearing on the crime (unless racially motivated) only the fact that the crime was committed.

[clashcityrocker]

this thread is starting to get abusive - if any moderator or Administrator thinks 1 more insult has been posted on either side then I will suggest a 24 hour ban for the offender and Locking of the topic - All are hereby warned.

Keep it polite.

I now see the error of my ways.
I realise it was wrong and indeed immature of me to make any mention of tman's level of educational attainment.

[borders]

Czech immigrant and Mosad agent Robert Maxwell - pension thief.
Egyptian Immigrant Mohamed Al Fayed serial conspiracy theorist, open treasoner and cash for questions MP briber.
Iranian born convicted Black Police Association head/senior policeman Ali Dizael.

A secret high-level Metropolitan police report has concluded that Muslim officers are more likely to become corrupt than white officers because of their cultural and family backgrounds.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/jun/1 ... opstories3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Iranian-born Shahrokh Mireskandari, represented Britain's highest ranking Asian officer Tarique Ghaffur, lied to Law Society about qualifications and stole hundeads of thousands of pounds.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z0gIzzixHm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And lets not forget the British born
Mohammad Sidique Khan, 30, of Dewsbury - suicide bomber, London 7/7
Hasib Mir Hussain, 18, of Holbeck, Leeds - suicide bomber, London 7/7
Shehzad Tanweer, 22, of Beeston, Leeds - suicide bomber, London 7/7

Immigration is a bit more complex an issue than talented black football players. We should open our doors because the Premier League will be more exciting? Every overpaid, here for the money immigrant player means another talented and promising British kid with true loyalty to his local club falls by the wayside. Great.

I am sure I could list loads of "white" British people who have raped women, who have killed children. We all know of 2 English women who are currently being investigated or have been charged with abusing children. 2 English people in the 60s killed children on the moors round where I live, in the 70/80s Peter Sutcliffe a Yorkshire trucker killed prostitutes and other women.

The race or beliefs of the criminal committing those crimes has no bearing on the crime (unless racially motivated) only the fact that the crime was committed.

my point exactly TBT, to initially claim we are becoming overcrowded is a well made point, but to then take the argument in this direction is another and suggests to me something more sinister.

[opgpat]

this thread is starting to get abusive - if any moderator or Administrator thinks 1 more insult has been posted on either side then I will suggest a 24 hour ban for the offender and Locking of the topic - All are hereby warned.

Keep it polite.

Quite right. I have been abused several times. Please ban anyone displaying racist or threatening or facistic type behaviour as we shouldn't tolerate any of that especially from people who have lost the argument!

My above post which you have all missinterpreted was a responce to IWW's post about Great British Immigrants. I was redressing the balance by showing that not all immigrants are good for this country, that's all. Yes plenty of white people do the same but we need to understand not all immigrants end up being Premier League players or novellists!

Infact Black youths are more likely to be involved in gun crime, robbery, drugs and gang crime than white youths. So much so that 3 out of 4 young black men will soon be on the DNA data base!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6753695.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


And as for immigrants:
We know for a fact that more foreign nationals are committing crimes here because one eighth of the prison population is made up of overseas offenders. They are the main cause, indeed, of the population crisis in the jails because the rate of growth among foreign prisoners has been far faster than among the British prison population.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/phili ... l_results/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Damn those blasted statistics and studies that prove immigrants and 'ethnic minority' cliques are not all sweetnesss and light.

Anyone here wanna move to Brixton? Case proven.

[andy2007]

In my personal opinion, the leadership of the BNP are racist. But does that mean that every member is?
No. Not neccessarily. Some of my collegues are BNP members. And some of them, simply don't believe that there's any racism in the BNP. Which is why they voted for them. On the other hand, I've had more than my fair share of run-ins with "hardcore" BNP members, over the years. What people need to understand is: That they've spent a considerable amount of time, and money. Trying to convince potential voters that they aren't racist.

Now as far as policies go: Many of their policies (as I said during the debates, on the run up to the Euro Elections) are actually very good. And should be adopted by other parties. But sadly. They're part of a package, which contains racist policies too. Which is why I didn't vote for them. The racist elements are well hidden, amongst the good policies. But they're there, if you read them carefully.

As for their Website: Well, as Norbert pointed out: It contains racist comments. Although I personally, have seen far worse than that on there. In case you're wondering: I go on there from time to time, because unfortunately. Griffin got in as an MEP in my area. So I like to check from time to time, what's going on. Not, because I like anything I see on there.

Now I know that some people will be offended by what I'm saying. And I'm sorry for that. I'm offended by some of the pro-BNP posts. But that doesn't mean that we can't have a rational debate about it. Unfortunately it's virtually impossible to avoid causing offence, when debating such an emotive subject. We just need to take a few deep breaths before posting.