Political Correctness

[IWW Fellow Worker]

That 'I'm not a racist, but.....' comment is aimed at everyone who who makes that particular claim then goes on to prove they are exactly that. Years ago it was "some of my best friends are black/Jewish/Irish, but......' The reason this country (which isn't ours at all, but is owned by the landed gentry who only tell us it's 'ours' when they want trenches filling every so often when their system breaks down into yet another war) has to catch up with things like housing or the NHS is because the people running this country give massive tax breaks to the rich and fund wars which have nothing to do with us, or waste it on baubles like the Royal Family and other rich scum. It's not rosy where I live because they've closed seven out of eight wards of the local hospital and have closed schools. They're building a big incinerator to go with the chemical plant they already have and which has been fined for allowing acid to leak into the atmosphere. Even the fascists can't blame immigrants for that.
I would also like people to be trained for work, go on to further education, but because of the system which 'supporters' of the capitalist parties like Labour, Tory, Liberal and BNP uphold, it won't happen. These parties are bosses parties run for and by bosses and voted in by naive people who imagine these parties might serve their interests.
I'm not a fan of PC because you cannot impose change on people. Ignorance has to be fought with education, not by threatening people with fines or the sack if they don't change. If people are frightened to say what they think because of PC, then PC is a failure. If people can't see that humanity can achieve much more by co-operation than by sniping at people because of their place of birth, colour or religion, then they are stooges of the system which keeps them under foot. Personally I'm not bothered where someone comes from. I can see that the insecure might let themselves be bothered about that, but not me. There have always been people arriving in and leaving this and other countries so it doesn't bother me.
As for political affilliation, I don't support any political party, but I like reading about politics. The Labour Party was never a socialist party, but a party containing some socialists. The Conservatives are what they have always been, a party for the rich and someone like the first Earl of Shaftesbury provides them with a fig leaf of conscience although he wouldn't last five minutes as a member these days. The Liberals had some decent people in years gone by such as Beveridge, but as you say, its down to being popular for them now. As for the BNP, yes it's full of nutters such as Copeland or Owens, but I've got more time for someone with the bottle to join than someone regurgitating their views who hasn't got the bottle to fill in a membership form.
The best book I could recommend is an old classic, but one which is still relevant 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists' by Robert Tressell. 'The Rights of Man' by Thomas Paine is a good one, anything by Berkman, Malatesta is usually alright, for a historical view 'Left Wing Democracy in the English Civil War' by Petegorsky and 'The Making of the English Working Class' by E.P. Thompson is very good and for an inspiring read about how ordinary people can rise above their conditions 'The Intellectual History of the British Working Classes' by Jonothon Rose can't be bettered. There must be hundreds of books I've missed which other people could recommend. Apart from the manifesto, I've never read anything by Marx, but some people swear by him.

[L Tommo]

The best book I could recommend is an old classic, but one which is still relevant 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists' by Robert Tressell. 'The Rights of Man' by Thomas Paine is a good one, anything by Berkman, Malatesta is usually alright, for a historical view 'Left Wing Democracy in the English Civil War' by Petegorsky and 'The Making of the English Working Class' by E.P. Thompson is very good and for an inspiring read about how ordinary people can rise above their conditions 'The Intellectual History of the British Working Classes' by Jonothon Rose can't be bettered. There must be hundreds of books I've missed which other people could recommend. Apart from the manifesto, I've never read anything by MARX, but some people swear by him

Wot one? Harpo was my personal favorite and Cheeko was as his name says.. Old Karl Was a borin git and never was in any of there films.. Not even a cameo roll...
HONK HONK!!!!

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DUCK SOUP!!!! NOW THERES A FUNNY FLICK.... [/b]

[IWW Fellow Worker]

The best book I could recommend is an old classic, but one which is still relevant 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists' by Robert Tressell. 'The Rights of Man' by Thomas Paine is a good one, anything by Berkman, Malatesta is usually alright, for a historical view 'Left Wing Democracy in the English Civil War' by Petegorsky and 'The Making of the English Working Class' by E.P. Thompson is very good and for an inspiring read about how ordinary people can rise above their conditions 'The Intellectual History of the British Working Classes' by Jonothon Rose can't be bettered. There must be hundreds of books I've missed which other people could recommend. Apart from the manifesto, I've never read anything by MARX, but some people swear by him

Wot one? Harpo was my personal favorite and Cheeko was as his name says.. Old Karl Was a borin git and never was in any of there films.. Not even a cameo roll...
HONK HONK!!!!

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DUCK SOUP!!!! NOW THERES A FUNNY FLICK.... [/b]

Bloody hell Tommo! The old ones aren't always the best. I read a book about the Marx Brothers years ago. How many can you name?

[L Tommo]

Now i know of a few IWW mate... Theres the three that played in most of the films but there was five.. Groucho. Harpo, Cheeko, But zeppo and gummo were stage performers... 5 all together!! I think Zeppo had a walk on part in one or two films... A Day at the races IS another classic flick!!! Just love em!!!

And WC Fields.... "WWWWWALDO MA BOYYYYYYY." HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

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PS i know they came from a Musical and slap stick performing family... Might of been more Bros???

[IWW Fellow Worker]

Now i know of a few IWW mate... Theres the three that played in most of the films but there was five.. Groucho. Harpo, Cheeko, But zeppo and gummo were stage performers... 5 all together!! I think Zeppo had a walk on part in one or two films... A Day at the races IS another classic flick!!! Just love em!!!

And WC Fields.... "WWWWWALDO MA BOYYYYYYY." HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

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PS i know they came from a Musical and slap stick performing family... Might of been more Bros???

Those are the five I remember from the book. Groucho was pulled by a copper in New York one time and when he asked what he had done, the copper said "Why don't we get more Laurel and Hardy on television?"

[L Tommo]

1 WORD....... CLASSICS!!!!



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PS.. FUNNY IWW

[ROCKY]

MARX AINT MY CUP OF TEA ANYONE WHO ADMITS HIS IDEAS WENT TO THE WRONG COUNTRY IS TOO WEAK FOR MY IDEALS BUT I WILL LOOK UP A FEW OF THE OTHERS WE WILL HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE ON A LOT OF POINTS BUT I AGREE WITH BISMARCK WHEN HE SAID THAT ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BE INVOLVED WITH POLOTICS SHOULD BE BANNED FROM IT,I LIKE TO READ AND AM A SPEED READER SO WHEN I GET BACK FROM MY JOLLIES EXPECT A FEW ARGUMENTS BUT RESPECT AND CHEERS FOR NOW
ROCKY

[L Tommo]

MARX AINT MY CUP OF TEA ANYONE WHO ADMITS HIS IDEAS WENT TO THE WRONG COUNTRY IS TOO WEAK FOR MY IDEALS BUT I WILL LOOK UP A FEW OF THE OTHERS WE WILL HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE ON A LOT OF POINTS BUT I AGREE WITH BISMARCK WHEN HE SAID THAT ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BE INVOLVED WITH POLOTICS SHOULD BE BANNED FROM IT,I LIKE TO READ AND AM A SPEED READER SO WHEN I GET BACK FROM MY JOLLIES EXPECT A FEW ARGUMENTS BUT RESPECT AND CHEERS FOR NOW
ROCKY

HAHAHAHAHA Rocks mate... No reading that kids book HARRY POTTING SHEAD SHITE!!! I dont wanna row over whether he n that ginga kid flys to the moon or the bloody pheonix gets served up for Sunday lunch either!!! hahahahaha!! fecking potter!!!


ave a nice time on ya hols mate!!!!

[IWW Fellow Worker]

MARX AINT MY CUP OF TEA ANYONE WHO ADMITS HIS IDEAS WENT TO THE WRONG COUNTRY IS TOO WEAK FOR MY IDEALS BUT I WILL LOOK UP A FEW OF THE OTHERS WE WILL HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE ON A LOT OF POINTS BUT I AGREE WITH BISMARCK WHEN HE SAID THAT ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BE INVOLVED WITH POLOTICS SHOULD BE BANNED FROM IT,I LIKE TO READ AND AM A SPEED READER SO WHEN I GET BACK FROM MY JOLLIES EXPECT A FEW ARGUMENTS BUT RESPECT AND CHEERS FOR NOW
ROCKY

I'll look forward to it. I don't know much about Bismark, but from what I've read, he tried to curb the revolutionary spirit of the German people by undermining socialism but only managed to delay things until after WW1.
Have a good holiday. If you only get the time to read one book. give Tressell a go. It's an easy read, with plenty of humour and explains things far better than some academics. That's because Tressell was a worker himself who wrote the book in his spare time and not some middle-class academic.

[goinpostal]

FECK THIS THREAD. WE SHOULD BE FIGHTING THE strike breakers OF OUR UNIONS AND THE TWO KNOB JOCKYS THAT TRY N RUN THIS SHAMBLES OF A SERVICE.....

good on ya L Tommo IWW and Sparksy keep up the fight.

We ought to stop believing the lies, there are two reasons why working class people are so aware of asylum seekers and migrant workers

first becaue they all end up living in working class neigbourhoods becuase asylum seekers are put in the worst housing and live on two thirds of benefits and aren't allowed to work, and because migrant workes are working class! The middle class politicians adn the rich capitalists dont want these people living next to them do they

second because the billionaire-owned press day in and day out put on their front pages asylum seekers this, immigrants that, or whatever else the scapegoat fo the month is. They don't have headling after headline about the NHS privatisation rip off, cuts to school funding, how the rich and big business aren't taxed sweet FA while our tax goes up or how trade union rights are restricted because the billionaire owners of them supprot al these things - in reality they are happy to use cheap migrant labour too with one hand, while they campaign in their papers against them with the other in order to DIVIDE AND RULE NOTHING ELSE.

Like it says here your are being lied to about asylum seekesr an old leaflet that unions among others were ordering but still right on.

"The people that benefit from the anti-refugee and anti-migrant campaign are the same people that benefit from the real causes of bad housing, long hospital waiting lists and declining education. It is the big bosses - the millionaire, even billionaire, financiers and industrialists - who want to pay less and less income tax and corporation tax."

Why should we be proud of our country we should be proud of our class that made everything on this planet, even if its owned by a handful of bossses - there's about 10000 millionaires and billionaires on this planet that own a third of its wealth, controls the whole ecoomy we depend on, all of it biult by and stolen from our labour.

Whats the country done - slavery colonialism, impeiraliasm. What's anycountry done - its a state that puts down the working class or even overthrows democracy when our rulers can't keep us down with the media.

[ROCKY]

hols in 3 weeks but cheers lads as im going to be a very busy puppy for the next few weeks getting ready for my camping/floating holiday im not going to get much time for reading but im hoping that whilst im off to catch up with my reading material then me and iww can start with a theoretical dispute over political thought patterns something you dont get to do very often since it usually takes place in a pub and ends in violence and i must admit i do lean more to a capatalist side than the socialist/communist train of thought

[IWW Fellow Worker]

hols in 3 weeks but cheers lads as im going to be a very busy puppy for the next few weeks getting ready for my camping/floating holiday im not going to get much time for reading but im hoping that whilst im off to catch up with my reading material then me and iww can start with a theoretical dispute over political thought patterns something you dont get to do very often since it usually takes place in a pub and ends in violence and i must admit i do lean more to a capatalist side than the socialist/communist train of thought

Bloody Hell Rocky! Don't run me over with your Rolls Royce if you ever see me out on my bike!

[ROCKY]

no danger off that we use the range rover for that kind of thing, have to keep the surfs in their place you know