DM26 - Attention of Martin Walsh

[tramssirhc]

People are starting to realise also that there is no such thing as an ‘easy’ Saturday under this new system.

I had a good laugh when I heard a WPC complain that the light days in Heavy & Light weren't easy

It's back to 2006 volumes, baby, just without any of the motivation anyone had back then to shift a mountain in three and a bit hours.

It certainly is. As I've pointed out repeatedly the agreement says 4 heavy, 4 light bags. Not the workload I'm being faced with.

[tramssirhc]

All we’re waiting for is Martin Walsh to say

‘It was the best we could achieve, there was nothing on the table, they wouldn’t talk to us’ blah blah blah

That's not what Martin will say. He made it clear if you couldn't make DM26 work it was your own fault.

[Barnacle]

People are starting to realise also that there is no such thing as an ‘easy’ Saturday under this new system.

I had a good laugh when I heard a WPC complain that the light days in Heavy & Light weren't easy

It's back to 2006 volumes, baby, just without any of the motivation anyone had back then to shift a mountain in three and a bit hours.

It certainly is. As I've pointed out repeatedly the agreement says 4 heavy, 4 light bags. Not the workload I'm being faced with.

Where have you seen it written, ‘4 heavy, 4 light bags’?

[Perseus]

The 4 heavy and 4 light diagram came from Royal Mails 'Guide to DM26'.

They show a current duty with 6 bags, (they must exist somewhere?), then you take 1/3 of another duty, i.e. 2 bags. Due to the nature of duty A and duty B rotating being 'light' and heavy' each person will have 8 bags in total, 4 heavy and 4 light.

A shared van is supposed to do 8 heavy and 8 light between them.

DM26 only works if you have 2 shared van duties that currently take around 4 hours per pair to deliver and are loosely based around 6 bags per person.
Those 4 duties and 4 people doing 24 loops in total became 4 duties and 3 people doing 8 loops each, but 4 are heavy and 4 are light. Probably adding about an hour onto your 4 hour delivery.
The problem many units are facing is that going into DM26 they have duties that would take 5-6 hours to complete with 10-12 loops per person.

[Barnacle]

The 4 heavy and 4 light diagram came from Royal Mails 'Guide to DM26'.

They show a current duty with 6 bags, (they must exist somewhere?), then you take 1/3 of another duty, i.e. 2 bags. Due to the nature of duty A and duty B rotating being 'light' and heavy' each person will have 8 bags in total, 4 heavy and 4 light.

A shared van is supposed to do 8 heavy and 8 light between them.

DM26 only works if you have 2 shared van duties that currently take around 4 hours per pair to deliver and are loosely based around 6 bags per person.
Those 4 duties and 4 people doing 24 loops in total became 4 duties and 3 people doing 8 loops each, but 4 are heavy and 4 are light. Probably adding about an hour onto your 4 hour delivery.
The problem many units are facing is that going into DM26 they have duties that would take 5-6 hours to complete with 10-12 loops per person.

Oh okay. That’s in the RM cartoon guide. That’s not in the agreement.

[Perseus]

The 4 heavy and 4 light diagram came from Royal Mails 'Guide to DM26'.

They show a current duty with 6 bags, (they must exist somewhere?), then you take 1/3 of another duty, i.e. 2 bags. Due to the nature of duty A and duty B rotating being 'light' and heavy' each person will have 8 bags in total, 4 heavy and 4 light.

A shared van is supposed to do 8 heavy and 8 light between them.

DM26 only works if you have 2 shared van duties that currently take around 4 hours per pair to deliver and are loosely based around 6 bags per person.
Those 4 duties and 4 people doing 24 loops in total became 4 duties and 3 people doing 8 loops each, but 4 are heavy and 4 are light. Probably adding about an hour onto your 4 hour delivery.
The problem many units are facing is that going into DM26 they have duties that would take 5-6 hours to complete with 10-12 loops per person.

Oh okay. That’s in the RM cartoon guide. That’s not in the agreement.

I've not seen anything from the CWU to call it out as being inaccurate.

[Barnacle]

The 4 heavy and 4 light diagram came from Royal Mails 'Guide to DM26'.

They show a current duty with 6 bags, (they must exist somewhere?), then you take 1/3 of another duty, i.e. 2 bags. Due to the nature of duty A and duty B rotating being 'light' and heavy' each person will have 8 bags in total, 4 heavy and 4 light.

A shared van is supposed to do 8 heavy and 8 light between them.

DM26 only works if you have 2 shared van duties that currently take around 4 hours per pair to deliver and are loosely based around 6 bags per person.
Those 4 duties and 4 people doing 24 loops in total became 4 duties and 3 people doing 8 loops each, but 4 are heavy and 4 are light. Probably adding about an hour onto your 4 hour delivery.
The problem many units are facing is that going into DM26 they have duties that would take 5-6 hours to complete with 10-12 loops per person.

Oh okay. That’s in the RM cartoon guide. That’s not in the agreement.

I've not seen anything from the CWU to call it out as being inaccurate.

The Postal Executive are currently in disagreement with RM about how the changed DM26 the day after the agreement was voted in and sent out their cartoon version.

[Pfrizzy10]

People are starting to realise also that there is no such thing as an ‘easy’ Saturday under this new system.

Define an easy Saturday

[Barnacle]

But logic should tell you that 8 bags can’t apply to all walks.

[Perseus]

But logic should tell you that 8 bags can’t apply to all walks.

There has been ample time to ensure that every single duty in every single office in the UK is 'right sized' in preparation for DM26 and ODM before it. Almost 2 years. It should have been a red line for the union on any discussions, rather than some vague promise to put in several thousand duties and make up part time to full time. The goalposts on those last promises are moving in ours on a daily basis.

[scotchy1962]

From the outside looking in it appears that the union have gone into "Tortoise" mode and are keeping their head in the shell until something positive happens.
It's difficult to watch the 500 yr institution burn down and not feel like someone somewhere is responsible.
It's more than likely a combination of a lot of things and the blame lies at a lot of peoples doors as they are all guilty by association.
Government for selling it, private business for running it abysmally and a union in retreat and not knowing why, or how to fix where it is now.
It's like death by a thousand cuts and is becoming painful to watch.

[Barnacle]

But logic should tell you that 8 bags can’t apply to all walks.

There has been ample time to ensure that every single duty in every single office in the UK is 'right sized' in preparation for DM26 and ODM before it. Almost 2 years. It should have been a red line for the union on any discussions, rather than some vague promise to put in several thousand duties and make up part time to full time. The goalposts on those last promises are moving in ours on a daily basis.

You’re not seriously suggesting that all walks should be made 8 bags? Because that is clearly nutty and something only RM thinks sounds right, completely ignoring the DP difference between walks.

[Perseus]

I'm not suggesting the number of bags each duty should be, as it's such an arbitrary unit of measurement. The only unit of measurement that matters is time. It's really not hard to calculate the average time that the average person has taken to complete (or not) every duty in an office. Maybe I've missed it, but surely there should have been some sort of Maximum Duty Delivery time check in the appendix before going into DM26? We've got start times, finish times, break times, but zero on dispatch time, last letter time etc.

[Barnacle]

I'm not suggesting the number of bags each duty should be, as it's such an arbitrary unit of measurement. The only unit of measurement that matters is time. It's really not hard to calculate the average time that the average person has taken to complete (or not) every duty in an office. Maybe I've missed it, but surely there should have been some sort of Maximum Duty Delivery time check in the appendix before going into DM26? We've got start times, finish times, break times, but zero on dispatch time, last letter time etc.

Well SISO has given them all the information they needed on which walks were too short and which were too long. Each office has been supposed to be adjusting walks

[Perseus]

I'm not suggesting the number of bags each duty should be, as it's such an arbitrary unit of measurement. The only unit of measurement that matters is time. It's really not hard to calculate the average time that the average person has taken to complete (or not) every duty in an office. Maybe I've missed it, but surely there should have been some sort of Maximum Duty Delivery time check in the appendix before going into DM26? We've got start times, finish times, break times, but zero on dispatch time, last letter time etc.

Well SISO has given them all the information they needed on which walks were too short and which were too long. Each office has been supposed to be adjusting walks

PDA actuals is what they would have needed to use, as SISO doesn't tell you duty span.