The Postal Executive has agreed the following timetable for the forthcoming ballot on Royal Mail Pay:

[thefox]

I’m shocked that anybody is voting no given the present state of our union.

We gave them a resounding mandate for strike action, and we all ended up poorer as a result; numerous strike days in which we weren’t paid, blanket removal of 2 days annual leave with no legal challenge from the union (it was impossible to have been on strike for all the days so the max should have been 1.5 days), and in the end an agreement we could have struck in the beginning for no loss of pay.

Recently, one of our esteemed union higher-ups boasted that we were getting a better deal than BT who brought in billions in profit - of course, our beloved CWU represent BT workers, so that shows you our union’s capacity to strike a good deal.

This is the best deal you’re ever going to get with this union.

A no vote won’t send us back to any serious negotiations, because there’s no leverage. We barely have enough members to secure a strike vote now, and after last time, I’m not sure there’d be enough yes votes.

So yeah, vote yes. Not because it’s a good deal, nor even a mediocre one, but because it’s the best this crappy union is ever going to get you.

Well said sir.

[the beautiful bd south]

In 2023 in my other job (represented by RMT) we had an electronic email vote to all members. it was exceptionally easy and quick. No log in etc etc this just seems very long winded.

Again it is some folk are too afraid of change even if it's easier,
Took me about 1min to vote today, scanned QR code, my username and password automatically entered,
if it was postal then it would probably take longer and have to post the letter and hope it gets there,
The only thing I find amusing is that for a union trying to save our jobs yet they opt for a voting system that is purely against protecting them, but that doesn't surprise me

It isn't that people are afraid of change, it's like you say, the hypocrisy of the union who are supposed to be defending our jobs allowing the ballot to be digital and not postal.
Theirs a difference between managing change and accelerating it.

[SkiSunday]

In 2023 in my other job (represented by RMT) we had an electronic email vote to all members. it was exceptionally easy and quick. No log in etc etc this just seems very long winded.

Again it is some folk are too afraid of change even if it's easier,
Took me about 1min to vote today, scanned QR code, my username and password automatically entered,
if it was postal then it would probably take longer and have to post the letter and hope it gets there,
The only thing I find amusing is that for a union trying to save our jobs yet they opt for a voting system that is purely against protecting them, but that doesn't surprise me

It isn't that people are afraid of change, it's like you say, the hypocrisy of the union who are supposed to be defending our jobs allowing the ballot to be digital and not postal.
Theirs a difference between managing change and accelerating it.

The only thing these CWU charlatans are protecting is their own little nest eggs. Oust them while we still have a chance and get some real representation.

Martin and Dave couldn't give a flying f**k about Delivery and that is very telling.

[Hyrrokkin]

I’m shocked that anybody is voting no given the present state of our union.

We gave them a resounding mandate for strike action, and we all ended up poorer as a result; numerous strike days in which we weren’t paid, blanket removal of 2 days annual leave with no legal challenge from the union (it was impossible to have been on strike for all the days so the max should have been 1.5 days), and in the end an agreement we could have struck in the beginning for no loss of pay.

Recently, one of our esteemed union higher-ups boasted that we were getting a better deal than BT who brought in billions in profit - of course, our beloved CWU represent BT workers, so that shows you our union’s capacity to strike a good deal.

This is the best deal you’re ever going to get with this union.

A no vote won’t send us back to any serious negotiations, because there’s no leverage. We barely have enough members to secure a strike vote now, and after last time, I’m not sure there’d be enough yes votes.

So yeah, vote yes. Not because it’s a good deal, nor even a mediocre one, but because it’s the best this crappy union is ever going to get you.

Well said sir.

[kazardaimenu]

It’s not a great deal. Year 1 isn’t terrible but years 2 and 3 will see us get no meaningful rise.

[yellowbelly]

It’s not a great deal. Year 1 isn’t terrible but years 2 and 3 will see us get no meaningful rise.

Re year two and three - the 'reopener clause' - both parties can trigger it. Sounds a bit vague to me and sounds like a recipe for RM to walk all over us in exchange for any resemblance of a reasonable pay rise that matches inflation if it's above 3%.

[kazardaimenu]

Well exactly if inflation’s back up to 10% RM can crack the reopener clause maybe offer us 4% and the union will roll over and have their tummy tickled.

[funkflex55]

Well exactly if inflation’s back up to 10% RM can crack the reopener clause maybe offer us 4% and the union will roll over and have their tummy tickled.

Exactly. The reopener clause just guarantees that if inflation is higher than expected then RM don't have to pay to that level. If they were serious about matching inflation that clause would be missing.

Vote NO!

[lsmmcd]

I Voted NO on the 2025 Royal Mail Pay Deal – Here’s Why You Should Too
Fellow postal workers, I’ve cast my “NO” vote on the 2025 Royal Mail pay deal, and I’m urging you to do the same before the ballot closes on August 26. This deal doesn’t deliver what we deserve, and we can do better. Here’s why:
The 4.2% Pay Rise Isn’t Enough: Royal Mail says 4.2% is above inflation (forecast at 2.6% for 2026), but we’ve seen forecasts fail before—remember 2021 when inflation hit 7% and our 2020 deal’s 1% raise left us struggling? In Belfast, where rent and bills are soaring, this increase won’t cover rising costs. For a typical OPG worker earning £28,000, it’s just £22 a week extra—barely enough for a weekly shop. We rejected 11 weaker offers; why settle for this now?
Profit Sharing Is a Gamble: The promise of 10% profit sharing sounds good, but Royal Mail’s projected profit for 2024/25 is only £20 million. That’s pennies per worker, if anything at all. We can’t bank on future profits when letter volumes are dropping and competition is fierce. This isn’t the guaranteed lump sum we won in 2023.
Workloads Are Ignored: This deal does nothing to address the crushing workloads we face daily, especially with parcel demand spiking. The new “incentive scheme” ties extra pay to performance targets, which could mean more pressure for no real reward. We need relief, not more strings attached.
We’ve Won Bigger Before: The CWU’s strength got us a 10% raise and £500 lump sum in 2023 after strikes. This deal is a step back. Voting “NO” sends a message that we won’t accept less than we’re worth. Royal Mail’s new owners (EP Group) have deep pockets—let’s push for a deal that reflects our value as key workers.
I know the CWU leadership calls this a “good deal,” and I respect their efforts. But good isn’t great, and we’ve fought too hard to settle. In Belfast, we’ve faced economic pressures and delivered through storms like Floris. We deserve a deal that truly rewards us.
Vote NO by August 26! Check your post for the ballot paper (sent out from August 5) and mark “NO.”

[lsmmcd]

I Voted NO on the 2025 Royal Mail Pay Deal – Here’s Why You Should Too
Fellow postal workers, I’ve cast my “NO” vote on the 2025 Royal Mail pay deal, and I’m urging you to do the same before the ballot closes on August 26. This deal doesn’t deliver what we deserve, and we can do better. Here’s why:
The 4.2% Pay Rise Isn’t Enough: Royal Mail says 4.2% is above inflation (forecast at 2.6% for 2026), but we’ve seen forecasts fail before—remember 2021 when inflation hit 7% and our 2020 deal’s 1% raise left us struggling? In Belfast, where rent and bills are soaring, this increase won’t cover rising costs. For a typical OPG worker earning £28,000, it’s just £22 a week extra—barely enough for a weekly shop. We rejected 11 weaker offers; why settle for this now?
Profit Sharing Is a Gamble: The promise of 10% profit sharing sounds good, but Royal Mail’s projected profit for 2024/25 is only £20 million. That’s pennies per worker, if anything at all. We can’t bank on future profits when letter volumes are dropping and competition is fierce. This isn’t the guaranteed lump sum we won in 2023.
Workloads Are Ignored: This deal does nothing to address the crushing workloads we face daily, especially with parcel demand spiking. The new “incentive scheme” ties extra pay to performance targets, which could mean more pressure for no real reward. We need relief, not more strings attached.
We’ve Won Bigger Before: The CWU’s strength got us a 10% raise and £500 lump sum in 2023 after strikes. This deal is a step back. Voting “NO” sends a message that we won’t accept less than we’re worth. Royal Mail’s new owners (EP Group) have deep pockets—let’s push for a deal that reflects our value as key workers.
I know the CWU leadership calls this a “good deal,” and I respect their efforts. But good isn’t great, and we’ve fought too hard to settle. In Belfast, we’ve faced economic pressures and delivered through storms like Floris. We deserve a deal that truly rewards us.
Vote NO by August 26! Check your post for the ballot paper (sent out from August 5) and mark “NO.”

[Playmail]

Me too

[kazardaimenu]

Voting no. We can do better.

[TopperGas]

There's no way I'm losing £100's and also delaying receiving in £100's in back pay by going on strike, what more do you seriously expect to get anyway 0.5% more if RM cave in?

In fact they'd probably like some IA as they could then roll out the ODM and blame striking posties for the mail not being delivered on time.

[stevejm]

The 4.2% is ok for this year [ and only ok because i don't see anything better as likely obtainable ] but the 2% for the next 2 years is a cop-out.
I was just discussing with my colleague today that I/we have no confidence in official inflation figures anyway. Since 2018/9 it seems prices for many living costs have risen close to 100 %, food especially.
Over and above that it's not a real 4.2% rise. By the time you deduct 20% tax and 12%NI that leaves you with 2/3 of 4.2% . ie. 2.8% in real terms yet inflation is a lot higher than that. Yet look how much the cost of postage rose last year - wouldn't RM be squealing like stuck pigs if the government had it in their power to restrict postage price rises to 2.8%.

This is just about the last straw for me regards staying in the union. The only reason I do stay in is as an insurance should something crop up on the disciplinary front - either real or manufactured - but that seems unlikely. Saving 200 pounds a year or whatever it is sounds like an attractive trade off.

[stevejm]

Voting no. We can do better.

vote how you like of course but don't pretend this useless union can squeeze more blood from a rock