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wandle
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Re: What now

Post by wandle »

redlen wrote:
30 Dec 2022, 06:28
wandle wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 23:36
Eduardo wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 22:23
walthmstowman wrote:This is just the thing , Royal Mail are leaving virtually their entire workforce behind . I honestly can't see their changes working . It will be one massive clusterfuck.
If the only way you can think of introducing changes is by threatening and intimidating your workforce then I'm sorry but you are not going to get the best from them.
If your best idea of motivating people is by watching them on CCTV and monitoring their movements by other new technologies only to be used as evidence against them in conduct cases then in this country, on this land, you are bound to fail.
English people don't do servitude well.
Except when it comes to being told to wear a totally ineffective rag across their face that stops a virus like Alex McCarthy stops a football.

But, on a lighter note, isn’t Thompson’s contract only for 2 years? He was appointed on 11th January 2021. What was the ‘period of calm’ that the CWU offered set to run until 16th January? What was/is the significance of that particular date?
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -and-trace
The Board will simply vote and extend his contract for another two years
Or…
They have a chance to let him go, as there is no way for him to back out of the corner he’s painted himself into, without losing face.
They can appoint someone else, who comes in saying ‘it’s time for a fresh approach’ ?
priority102
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Re: What now

Post by priority102 »

Eduardo wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 19:06
Wullie10 wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 18:21
It's only institutionalised postmen who think the earth spins around the office.
What's an Institutionalised Postman?
What does that mean?
An institutionalised postie is one who has been with RM for many years, sometimes never having worked anywhere else, thinks the earth rotates around their duty and delivery office, and cannot envisage any other job outside of being a postie.
Wullie10
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Re: What now

Post by Wullie10 »

priority102 wrote:
30 Dec 2022, 08:59
Eduardo wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 19:06
Wullie10 wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 18:21
It's only institutionalised postmen who think the earth spins around the office.
What's an Institutionalised Postman?
What does that mean?
An institutionalised postie is one who has been with RM for many years, sometimes never having worked anywhere else, thinks the earth rotates around their duty and delivery office, and cannot envisage any other job outside of being a postie.
Thanks you made the point very well. Sounds like 95% of our office 😂 in defence I know I few who left thinking the grass was greener and regretted it. But most postman will have to be dragged away in a coffin .
Binsey
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Re: What now

Post by Binsey »

Or by the CEO personal security goons.

Frogmarched off the premises and then one size 12 up the jacksee…..

Joking aside the a lot of people myself included are for s a rude awaking…..

With the amount of EA arriving at any moment the gloves are now off….
cobrakai
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Re: What now

Post by cobrakai »

priority102 wrote:
30 Dec 2022, 08:59
Eduardo wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 19:06
Wullie10 wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 18:21
It's only institutionalised postmen who think the earth spins around the office.
What's an Institutionalised Postman?
What does that mean?
An institutionalised postie is one who has been with RM for many years, sometimes never having worked anywhere else, thinks the earth rotates around their duty and delivery office, and cannot envisage any other job outside of being a postie.
Or someone that has left this godawful business then instead of getting a life outside of it… still posts on a Royal Mail employee website most days…..
CRIBMAD
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Re: What now

Post by CRIBMAD »

cobrakai wrote:
30 Dec 2022, 11:46
priority102 wrote:
30 Dec 2022, 08:59
Eduardo wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 19:06
Wullie10 wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 18:21
It's only institutionalised postmen who think the earth spins around the office.
What's an Institutionalised Postman?
What does that mean?
An institutionalised postie is one who has been with RM for many years, sometimes never having worked anywhere else, thinks the earth rotates around their duty and delivery office, and cannot envisage any other job outside of being a postie.
Or someone that has left this godawful business then instead of getting a life outside of it… still posts on a Royal Mail employee website most days…..
LMAO !
priority102
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Re: What now

Post by priority102 »

cobrakai wrote:
30 Dec 2022, 11:46
priority102 wrote:
30 Dec 2022, 08:59
Eduardo wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 19:06
Wullie10 wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 18:21
It's only institutionalised postmen who think the earth spins around the office.
What's an Institutionalised Postman?
What does that mean?
An institutionalised postie is one who has been with RM for many years, sometimes never having worked anywhere else, thinks the earth rotates around their duty and delivery office, and cannot envisage any other job outside of being a postie.
Or someone that has left this godawful business then instead of getting a life outside of it… still posts on a Royal Mail employee website most days…..
The quote above coming from an institutionalised postie, thank you kindly for providing a good example. :Applause Yes I am still interested and concerned in what is happening to my friends and colleagues I worked with for so long as nothing this bad happened in my time there, and at nearly 63 years old (next month), an RM pensioner.
post6675
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Re: What now

Post by post6675 »

Halfhappy wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 21:02
curleigh wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 20:47
Wolf91 wrote:
28 Dec 2022, 21:21
toonshola wrote:
28 Dec 2022, 19:13
It’s all over. The union thought the strikes during Christmas would make Royal Mail fold and make a somewhat decent agreement. They didn’t and now the union don’t have a clue what to do next. If Royal Mail didn’t back down during Christmas then they never will, they are hell bent on these disastrous business wrecking changes and nothing is going to stop them.
Completely missing the point. Christmas is not as important as you think. Continued action causes distrust between RM and their customers, that’s what hits them hardest. Obviously it’s busier at Christmas but it’s generally busy all year round. If they can’t trust RM they will permanently move their business to other couriers. This is the most damaging factor for RM without a shadow of a doubt.
If these customers permanently move to other couriers due to continuing IA, what future is there for us ?? Less work more job losses!!!!
Do you think the CEO might have that concern too? This is the leverage created by long term IA. The CEO is not immune to this threat.
ST dont care about RM, hs a fall guy CEO its what he does. Hes there to push through the boards changes and then hes off with a golden handshake
cobrakai
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Re: What now

Post by cobrakai »

That’s a lot of words to say nothing…. I won’t get in to a slanging match with an amoeba so I bid you adieu.
hazzeem025
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Re: What now

Post by hazzeem025 »

Clappedoutpostie wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 22:24
walthmstowman wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 19:45
This is just the thing , Royal Mail are leaving virtually their entire workforce behind . I honestly can't see their changes working . It will be one massive clusterfuck.
And that’s where they have miscalculated all the way through. Nothing is going to work without an agreement. I would guess the board never expected members to still be standing strong 18 strike days in. At some point there has to be an agreement or the company goes out of business. My guess is at some point the board will throw Thompson under the bus, come to an agreement with the CWU and say it was all his fault. Time will tell.
What's the point? Get rid of Thompson and Williams replaces him with another 'mouthpiece' to do his dirty work. Williams needs to go, not just Thompson.
walthmstowman
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Re: What now

Post by walthmstowman »

needadvice wrote:
30 Dec 2022, 00:48
walthmstowman wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 23:23
Clappedoutpostie wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 22:24
walthmstowman wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 19:45
This is just the thing , Royal Mail are leaving virtually their entire workforce behind . I honestly can't see their changes working . It will be one massive clusterfuck.
And that’s where they have miscalculated all the way through. Nothing is going to work without an agreement. I would guess the board never expected members to still be standing strong 18 strike days in. At some point there has to be an agreement or the company goes out of business. My guess is at some point the board will throw Thompson under the bus, come to an agreement with the CWU and say it was all his fault. Time will tell.
What management have to realise is that they can't destroy the union without destroying the company . Management also need an agreement or there will never be any peace . All this executive action and antagonising the workforce will only end up being counter productive . At some point they'll get the message but God knows when .
RM can't destroy the CWU without destroying the workforce and RM itself. An acceptable agreement for all parties is the only solution. Peace and togetherness should be the priority for any business. Why can't they just make a healthy profit each year without the race to the bottom
I can only conclude because they are greedy for even more profits at the expense of their workforce .
walthmstowman
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Re: What now

Post by walthmstowman »

hazzeem025 wrote:
30 Dec 2022, 13:41
Clappedoutpostie wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 22:24
walthmstowman wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 19:45
This is just the thing , Royal Mail are leaving virtually their entire workforce behind . I honestly can't see their changes working . It will be one massive clusterfuck.
And that’s where they have miscalculated all the way through. Nothing is going to work without an agreement. I would guess the board never expected members to still be standing strong 18 strike days in. At some point there has to be an agreement or the company goes out of business. My guess is at some point the board will throw Thompson under the bus, come to an agreement with the CWU and say it was all his fault. Time will tell.
What's the point? Get rid of Thompson and Williams replaces him with another 'mouthpiece' to do his dirty work. Williams needs to go, not just Thompson.
Grant McPherson also needs to go .
redlen
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Re: What now

Post by redlen »

With any privatised industry, the overriding objectives in law are with maximising profits for investors. That is why the Board paid that 400 million to shareholders based on the previous 12 months revenue.
walthmstowman
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Re: What now

Post by walthmstowman »

redlen wrote:
30 Dec 2022, 14:02
With any privatised industry, the overriding objectives in law are with maximising profits for investors. That is why the Board paid that 400 million to shareholders based on the previous 12 months revenue.
So we're heading for being paid at minimum wage then ?
redlen
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Re: What now

Post by redlen »

Salary is decided on what the board decides, not one individual with an advanced busness plan.