Lockout.

[Gasman11]

100% solid support in our area and growing more and more emboldened by the day. The backlog is massively piling up already and only going to get 10 times worse in the coming days and weeks. We will not budge, stay strong all.

[posted]

Threads like these and the disgusting language prove that of all those on picket lines, there is likely a small yet significant percentage in each workplace that are only continuing to strike because of the extreme amongst the more civilised.

The fear of being bullied, called out, ostracised and worse all for not towing the party line rather than what they feel is right.

On this thread alone - and I know people are worse online than in real life when they’re just minnows - I’ve seen people use words like dickheads, c***s, turd and on another thread sc*bs or (sausage chips and beans - trying to be smart).

It’s this extreme minority that becomes a crutch for potentially false support or people striking but still feeling s**t about it rather than content that they’ve done the right thing by withdrawing their labour for the day.

Um. Have you even stepped foot in a delivery office recently?

1) the language is a LOT more industrial than you'll hear on here.
2) solidarity is rock solid and determination is increasing. It's not extreme, it's how we all feel. We hate how badly we're being treated.
3) Streak breakers are known, but just get on with their job. We're too bloody busy and exhausted for politics talk. There's hardly any of them anyway.
4) it's not a minority pissed off. It's pretty much every postie in this country.

You seem to have a low opinion of postal workers.

1) there’s language in the workplace and there’s how you treat your colleagues and what you call them. The culture, if you will, is different in each DO and I get that and appreciate it but foul language about your colleagues (or anybody for that matter), really? Can’t equate the two.
2) yes I get the feeling of being treated badly and solidarity. But how does that translate into justification of using such words I mentioned about your colleagues?
3) even if there’s only one strike breaker, if the people on here are anything like that in real life then actually I sympathise more with the strike beakers, in that particular instance. It doesn’t change my stance on the dispute but I’ve lost all respect for those bullies.
4) as mentioned in 2). My point isn’t about how many are pissed off (quantity) or how much they’re pissed off(quality?!), it’s about the vocal nasties on here and how they manifest their “pissed off-ness”. The vast majority are civilised, I know that and will continue to believe that.

I have a low opinion of anybody who mistreats (even if just online) anybody else with that kind of language, be they posties, managers, the CEO, shareholders or customers.

[Bob Cooney]

.The CWU could make a £50 payment to every member by end of next week and it would not bankrupt them.

It's not a large amount of money but would give something back to members.

In a cost of living crisis and during the "fight of our lives " they choose not to do so.

Meanwhile Baulch,Furey,Webb,Robertson
Pullinger and Ward alone between them pocket nearly £500,000 per annum on the back of mainly lower paid members

They are now passing out the begging bowl to the general public to finance a strike fund yet were prepared to spunk millions not once but twice in court on a case ( voting in the workplace ) that could not be won and are currently presiding over a strike programme that has before this week wasted over £grand of members money in pointless demo style one day strikes that the opposition has laughed off.

[sindba]

Threads like these and the disgusting language prove that of all those on picket lines, there is likely a small yet significant percentage in each workplace that are only continuing to strike because of the extreme amongst the more civilised.

The fear of being bullied, called out, ostracised and worse all for not towing the party line rather than what they feel is right.

On this thread alone - and I know people are worse online than in real life when they’re just minnows - I’ve seen people use words like dickheads, c***s, turd and on another thread sc*bs or (sausage chips and beans - trying to be smart).

It’s this extreme minority that becomes a crutch for potentially false support or people striking but still feeling s**t about it rather than content that they’ve done the right thing by withdrawing their labour for the day.

Um. Have you even stepped foot in a delivery office recently?

1) the language is a LOT more industrial than you'll hear on here.
2) solidarity is rock solid and determination is increasing. It's not extreme, it's how we all feel. We hate how badly we're being treated.
3) Streak breakers are known, but just get on with their job. We're too bloody busy and exhausted for politics talk. There's hardly any of them anyway.
4) it's not a minority pissed off. It's pretty much every postie in this country.

You seem to have a low opinion of postal workers.

1) there’s language in the workplace and there’s how you treat your colleagues and what you call them. The culture, if you will, is different in each DO and I get that and appreciate it but foul language about your colleagues (or anybody for that matter), really? Can’t equate the two.
2) yes I get the feeling of being treated badly and solidarity. But how does that translate into justification of using such words I mentioned about your colleagues?
3) even if there’s only one strike breaker, if the people on here are anything like that in real life then actually I sympathise more with the strike beakers, in that particular instance. It doesn’t change my stance on the dispute but I’ve lost all respect for those bullies.
4) as mentioned in 2). My point isn’t about how many are pissed off (quantity) or how much they’re pissed off(quality?!), it’s about the vocal nasties on here and how they manifest their “pissed off-ness”. The vast majority are civilised, I know that and will continue to believe that.

I have a low opinion of anybody who mistreats (even if just online) anybody else with that kind of language, be they posties, managers, the CEO, shareholders or customers.

No mate. You clearly have a low opinion of postal workers.

Because we're not stupid, we see and feel how the company is treating us. We're not bullies, we are decent, hardworking people. We're not thick, we know if we're being mistreated and know the proper recourse.

You just can't work out why the strikes are still 100% solid, so you're looking for wierd theories about intimidation. But the truth is more straightforward: we stick up for ourselves and our mates against a brutal attack from our employers, to the end.

[Gasman11]

How are you enjoying your later start and finishing times, that commitment to deliver everything regardless of volume, those compulsory Sundays, your annualised hours attendance pattern. Here's hoping you're feeling well Bob and haven't needed anytime off due to illness, be a real struggle without any pay for those first 3 days of any potential sickness absence, remember when the odd strike breaker used to moan about losing a day or two of pay for industrial action, lol, the good old days. Great job now Bob isn't it.

[SSkUNkY]

Never cross a picket line.

[Bob Cooney]

How are you enjoying your later start and finishing times, that commitment to deliver everything regardless of volume, those compulsory Sundays, your annualised hours attendance pattern. Here's hoping you're feeling well Bob and haven't needed anytime off due to illness, be a real struggle without any pay for those first 3 days of any potential sickness absence, remember when the odd strike breaker used to moan about losing a day or two of pay for industrial action, lol, the good old days. Great job now Bob isn't it.

If your replying to me your havering

[pinstripe]

Meanwhile Baulch,Furey,Webb,Robertson
Pullinger and Ward alone between them pocket nearly £500,000 per annum on the back of mainly lower

So the top 6 people in the union earn less combined than the CEO

“ Thompson's appointment as CEO was announced on 11 January 2021. Thompson will receive a salary of £500,000, plus a pension of 13.6% of base pay (about £71,400 a year) and bonuses yet to be determined.”

The salaries of 6 people trying to save the company and our jobs are paid less than 1 person trying to destroy them

As a comparison, Mick Lynch of the RMT earns £84,000 per year

[LouBarlow]

How are you enjoying your later start and finishing times, that commitment to deliver everything regardless of volume, those compulsory Sundays, your annualised hours attendance pattern. Here's hoping you're feeling well Bob and haven't needed anytime off due to illness, be a real struggle without any pay for those first 3 days of any potential sickness absence, remember when the odd strike breaker used to moan about losing a day or two of pay for industrial action, lol, the good old days. Great job now Bob isn't it.

Instead of focussing on the CWU propaganda read what RM offered in their latest attempt to compromise. All of the points you made were addressed, but given how feeble the CWU’s communications have been lately (they seem focussed on wacky memes on Facebook now) it is no wonder you aren’t aware.

- working hours would be two hours a week longer in winter. Two hours shorter in summer. No obligation to complete at all. No annualised hours.
- Sundays to be voluntary
- Sickness would be paid for the first instance, then reduced for the second within a set timescale.

All reasonable demands, but of course we weren’t given the option to vote on such a deal or even be aware of the details of it in some cases obviously.

[TopperGas]

The devil's in the detail as RM are still talking about trialing Flex hours, what's stopping them trailing it in every office?

What's happens if they are insufficient volunteers to work Sunday's at the new flat rate?

Finally you've failed to mention potential compulsory redundancies, which now seems the biggest issue?

[LouBarlow]

The devil's in the detail as RM are still talking about trialing Flex hours, what's stopping them trailing it in every office?

What's happens if they are insufficient volunteers to work Sunday's at the new flat rate?

Finally you've failed to mention potential compulsory redundancies, which now seems the biggest issue?

There will be no need for compulsory redundancies given how many have already shown interest in the VR that has been offered.

If you aren’t going to believe RM at any stage, why even strike? You will never be happy with anything they offer.

I think a lot of people are still in denial. You can strike as long as you want but the job is not going to stay the way it is now. Change is coming and you either accept it or walk. We have been losing money picketing for months now and nothing has changed.

[pinstripe]

Instead of focussing on the CWU propaganda read what RM offered in their latest attempt to compromise. All of the points you made were addressed, but given how feeble the CWU’s communications have been lately (they seem focussed on wacky memes on Facebook now) it is no wonder you aren’t aware. . I read what they proposed, it was full of no detail, “where possible” and threats

- working hours would be two hours a week longer in winter. Two hours shorter in summer. No obligation to complete at all. No annualised hours.After imposing 3 hour later starts. Don’t forget their stated ambition of 5.00pm last letter times throughout the country!
- Sundays to be voluntary if they get enough volunteers
- Sickness would be paid for the first instance, then reduced for the second within a set timescale.what if you are unfortunate enough to contract a major illness?

All reasonable demands,no, they weren’t reasonable, well maybe if you were some kind of psychopath but of course we weren’t given the option to vote on such a deal why should the union consider proposals that would be instantly refused by the membership?or even be aware of the details of it in some cases obviously.the details? The details that RM didn’t provide, but the CWU did? Those details? Incidentally, those were last weeks proposals, Our Simon has probably got a whole load of new ones for this week that contradict them. The last thing he wants is an agreement

[LouBarlow]

Instead of focussing on the CWU propaganda read what RM offered in their latest attempt to compromise. All of the points you made were addressed, but given how feeble the CWU’s communications have been lately (they seem focussed on wacky memes on Facebook now) it is no wonder you aren’t aware. . I read what they proposed, it was full of no detail, “where possible” and threats

- working hours would be two hours a week longer in winter. Two hours shorter in summer. No obligation to complete at all. No annualised hours.After imposing 3 hour later starts. Don’t forget their stated ambition of 5.00pm last letter times throughout the country!
- Sundays to be voluntary if they get enough volunteers
- Sickness would be paid for the first instance, then reduced for the second within a set timescale.what if you are unfortunate enough to contract a major illness?

All reasonable demands,no, they weren’t reasonable, well maybe if you were some kind of psychopath but of course we weren’t given the option to vote on such a deal why should the union consider proposals that would be instantly refused by the membership?or even be aware of the details of it in some cases obviously.the details? The details that RM didn’t provide, but the CWU did? Those details? Incidentally, those were last weeks proposals, Our Simon has probably got a whole load of new ones for this week that contradict them. The last thing he wants is an agreement

If he doesn’t want an agreement, why are we striking?

[richj2009]

I've just registered interest in vr just to qualify for the 6 grand. I really hope there is a reasonable deal in place and I can dismiss my interest but thought I'd leave that option open. Sounds defeatist but I think we need all options potentially available at the moment. With the volumes of people already showing an interest in vr I can't see the union negotiating any better with regards to that.

[scotchy1962]

Instead of focussing on the CWU propaganda read what RM offered in their latest attempt to compromise. All of the points you made were addressed, but given how feeble the CWU’s communications have been lately (they seem focussed on wacky memes on Facebook now) it is no wonder you aren’t aware. . I read what they proposed, it was full of no detail, “where possible” and threats

- working hours would be two hours a week longer in winter. Two hours shorter in summer. No obligation to complete at all. No annualised hours.After imposing 3 hour later starts. Don’t forget their stated ambition of 5.00pm last letter times throughout the country!
- Sundays to be voluntary if they get enough volunteers
- Sickness would be paid for the first instance, then reduced for the second within a set timescale.what if you are unfortunate enough to contract a major illness?

All reasonable demands,no, they weren’t reasonable, well maybe if you were some kind of psychopath but of course we weren’t given the option to vote on such a deal why should the union consider proposals that would be instantly refused by the membership?or even be aware of the details of it in some cases obviously.the details? The details that RM didn’t provide, but the CWU did? Those details? Incidentally, those were last weeks proposals, Our Simon has probably got a whole load of new ones for this week that contradict them. The last thing he wants is an agreement

If he doesn’t want an agreement, why are we striking?

Not sure if you have quite grasped everything proposed from Simple Slyman, everything he proposed had caveats so that if they considered them not to be working he will impose the changes he really wants, as in annualised hours and compulsory Sundays etc, i dont think everything is quite so doom and gloom as some of you make out and probably the union could have done better, but, and its a big but, they have been dealing with a different sort of CEO here, one who is such a narcissistic, dictator and child all rolled into one, something that is pretty hard to deal with as if something doesnt go his way he throws the toys out of the pram and rants and raves, not really the way for any self respecting CEO to behave but there you go. I think the pressure is slowly starting to ramp up as he has gone quiet on social media but then again with a child like him he might be in a darkened room with some sort of mutant monkey dreaming up a new plan..... but i digress, I realise that people are struggling and feel they have to go back into work, i would not encourage them but i do understand, what i dont like is putting it out on social media, there certainly isnt as many going in as Slyman says which can only make the pressure add up. Maybe even enough to either end his tenure or bring him back to the table with a different attitude. We are all big boys and girls and can suffer some name calling, as long as its not swearing, racist, sexist, ageist, sorry if i missed any. If we stay strong i believe we can get some sort of reasonable result, as i am also a realist i think it might only be delaying the inevitable but who knows.