ACCEPT THE DEAL

[jafferpants]

This is how it will be. your manager will ask you to perform the extra time and you will refuse. he will say "That was a reasonable request" you are then up on a discaplinary, and if you think that wont happen your living on the planet zog!!

[dvbuk55]

Well on a lighter note I have just this very day received my "Accept the Deal" from the CWU signed by D Ward and W Hayes. Highlighting, much in the same vein as Lovejoy did, how successful they have been in negotiating. It is a single page, two sides, no detail and an appeal for ratification. In fact (rat )ification sums it up. No ballot paper of course - they realise how close a vote this is going to be.

I was going to accept the deal and on day 1 said I would. My theory was the membership would then get on with the business of removing these clowns from office. Of course that isn't going to happen is it? So I have changed my mind - I am going to vote NO. If the first agreement was an embarrassment then having these two clowns go back to the negotiating table and be humiliated for a second time will have to suffice as meet justice.

As the bible says, the meek shall inherit RMs agreement.

[meweavy]

cant we take a vote of no confidence and get these 2 removed before we get our ballot papers,surely if it goes to a no vote,we need toget union leaders to go in with bigger bollocks and not such a willingness to take it up the arse then if we left the negotiations to these 2 clowns again..

they have proved that they are incapable of putting up any kindof fight when it comes to negotiating on our behalf..lets get these 2 out before the ballot and bring in someone who could possibly at least try to get a better deal then the s**t we have been offered now.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

What scares me about the Union letter is that its full of "if", "subject to", "our intention", "opportunity", "influencing" and "separate national and local agreements" there is nothing of substance in it its all very wishy washy and hairy fairy for my liking.

The agreement should be have the following statements included "this is happening", "this is not happening", "in future this will be" not what we actually have.

[Oldham]

What scares me about the Union letter is that its full of "if", "subject to", "our intention", "opportunity", "influencing" and "separate national and local agreements" there is nothing of substance in it its all very wishy washy and hairy fairy for my liking.

The agreement should be have the following statements included "this is happening", "this is not happening", "in future this will be" not what we actually have.

What it says TrueBlueTerrier is your on your own guys ,you pick up the pieces and see what you can do

[meweavy]

What scares me about the Union letter is that its full of "if", "subject to", "our intention", "opportunity", "influencing" and "separate national and local agreements" there is nothing of substance in it its all very wishy washy and hairy fairy for my liking.

The agreement should be have the following statements included "this is happening", "this is not happening", "in future this will be" not what we actually have.

youre right

theyre basically saying that once royal mail start f***ing us over,then the union will TRY to negotiate..i expect as far as royal mail are concerned everything they wanted to bring in from the off they will..and our union will try to stop them..just like the later starts.etc etc.

[tenpole tudorsack]

What scares me about the Union letter is that its full of "if", "subject to", "our intention", "opportunity", "influencing" and "separate national and local agreements" there is nothing of substance in it its all very wishy washy and hairy fairy for my liking.

The agreement should be have the following statements included "this is happening", "this is not happening", "in future this will be" not what we actually have.

What was that song?...."I predict a riot"!

Methinks Wildcat strikes might breakout again

[chiefclaret]

[quote="linkinpark"]You can go through the single letters and full stops of this "DEAL" if you want but it was is and always has been a SELL OUT OF YOUR TERMS AND CONDITIONS if you vote yes it will cost you thousands of pounds in cash and tens of thousands on YOUR PENSION because RM will make the changes they want if you like it or not. (The pay rise does not even cover the loss of your early start allowance.) So RM have won on that alone! Vote yes and dont moan because you have to cover a "teams work" or pick up the slack in summer for mates that are on holiday instead of getting overtime for doing the same work that you used to get! WAKE UP REALISE THAT OUR LEADERS HAVE TRIED TO SELL US OUT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. VOTE NO



I dont like the deal, but it has nothing to do with pensions and you dont lose your early shift allowance.
So read the agreement again.
chief mc1man1vote.

[waterpistol]

You can go through the single letters and full stops of this "DEAL" if you want but it was is and always has been a SELL OUT OF YOUR TERMS AND CONDITIONS if you vote yes it will cost you thousands of pounds in cash and tens of thousands on YOUR PENSION because RM will make the changes they want if you like it or not. (The pay rise does not even cover the loss of your early start allowance.) So RM have won on that alone! Vote yes and dont moan because you have to cover a "teams work" or pick up the slack in summer for mates that are on holiday instead of getting overtime for doing the same work that you used to get! WAKE UP REALISE THAT OUR LEADERS HAVE TRIED TO SELL US OUT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. VOTE NO



I dont like the deal, but it has nothing to do with pensions and you dont lose your early shift allowance.
So read the agreement again.
chief mc1man1vote.

If you think this is nothing to do with Pensions you are sadly kidding yourself.

[cm]

To quote the letter from the CWU I received today, it says 'Saturday start times and overall length of Saturday attendances will be unchanged'. Doesn't this contradict the earlier statement that 'the normal work pattern may be rebalanced across the week to reflect the traffic profile'? Is Saturday therefore excluded from this?

Overall this is really a bad deal. Effectively all that has changed is that, whereas before, they were claiming that they were going to bring in these changes come what may. Now, we have some wishy-washy agreement from the union that the changes will be 'trialled' before they are implemented, when we all know in practice that this means they will be forced through whether they work or not. Plus some ambiguous stuff about both parties working together. If recent history tells us anything, it's that you can expect a total lack of goodwill from RM management. And who in their right mind thinks it's a good idea to allow agreements to be agreed locally? If anything this will give the union less leverage, not more. They must be totally deluded if they think this is a step forward.

[andy2007]

You can go through the single letters and full stops of this "DEAL" if you want but it was is and always has been a SELL OUT OF YOUR TERMS AND CONDITIONS if you vote yes it will cost you thousands of pounds in cash and tens of thousands on YOUR PENSION because RM will make the changes they want if you like it or not. (The pay rise does not even cover the loss of your early start allowance.) So RM have won on that alone! Vote yes and dont moan because you have to cover a "teams work" or pick up the slack in summer for mates that are on holiday instead of getting overtime for doing the same work that you used to get! WAKE UP REALISE THAT OUR LEADERS HAVE TRIED TO SELL US OUT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. VOTE NO



I dont like the deal, but it has nothing to do with pensions and you dont lose your early shift allowance.
So read the agreement again.
chief mc1man1vote.

Have to disagree with you, RM lied about pensions last year they told us all "They were safe" and unless i have missed something YOU HAVE ALREADY LOST YOUR EARLY SHIFT ALLOWANCE you may? get it for awhile but when you re-sign you will lose it! That is a CUT in your terms and conditions that will cost you 10 or 12 quid before all the rest of the cuts that WILL happen in your pay terms and conditions.
RM always wanted to devide pay from everything else and Hayes and ward have allowed that. REMEMBER WHEN WE TOOK THE VOTE IT WAS ABOUT A PAY RISE AND THE REMOVAL OF ALL STRINGS. Not a pay cut and more strings. If your happy with YOUR job getting harder, working later, and having RM tell you when you can and cant work vote yes if not VOTE NO.
:lfo :cfo

They can't take your "Grandfather Rights" just because of a re-sign. It's only if you request a change of Duty that they could do that. But what about the future?

I know that they are still getting rid of people, but sooner or later, they will want new starters. Am I the only one who is worried about them?
It's a lot harder to get things back once they have been removed, than to protect them in the first place.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

You can go through the single letters and full stops of this "DEAL" if you want but it was is and always has been a SELL OUT OF YOUR TERMS AND CONDITIONS if you vote yes it will cost you thousands of pounds in cash and tens of thousands on YOUR PENSION because RM will make the changes they want if you like it or not. (The pay rise does not even cover the loss of your early start allowance.) So RM have won on that alone! Vote yes and dont moan because you have to cover a "teams work" or pick up the slack in summer for mates that are on holiday instead of getting overtime for doing the same work that you used to get! WAKE UP REALISE THAT OUR LEADERS HAVE TRIED TO SELL US OUT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. VOTE NO



I dont like the deal, but it has nothing to do with pensions and you dont lose your early shift allowance.
So read the agreement again.
chief mc1man1vote.

Have to disagree with you, RM lied about pensions last year they told us all "They were safe" and unless i have missed something YOU HAVE ALREADY LOST YOUR EARLY SHIFT ALLOWANCE you may? get it for awhile but when you re-sign you will lose it! That is a CUT in your terms and conditions that will cost you 10 or 12 quid before all the rest of the cuts that WILL happen in your pay terms and conditions.
RM always wanted to devide pay from everything else and Hayes and ward have allowed that. REMEMBER WHEN WE TOOK THE VOTE IT WAS ABOUT A PAY RISE AND THE REMOVAL OF ALL STRINGS. Not a pay cut and more strings. If your happy with YOUR job getting harder, working later, and having RM tell you when you can and cant work vote yes if not VOTE NO.
:lfo :cfo

They can't take your "Grandfather Rights" just because of a re-sign. It's only if you request a change of Duty that they could do that. But what about the future?

I know that they are still getting rid of people, but sooner or later, they will want new starters. Am I the only one who is worried about them?
It's a lot harder to get things back once they have been removed, than to protect them in the first place.

No, you're not mate. I'm not voting for anything which craps on those who come after us. What the hell is up with people in this country today? There used to be a time when working people fought for their own conditions, but had an eye on the future. That's the reason we had a welfare state as set out in the Beveridge Plan, and put in place by Labour in the immediate post-war era. Ordinary people fought for it because they wanted a better like for generations which came after them. This 'I'm alright Jack' attitude is a product of Thatcherism, and should be done away with. Vote NO! Look after yourself and look after those who come after you. "If you tolerate this, then your children will be next!" You owe it to them to vote NO!

[chiefclaret]

You can go through the single letters and full stops of this "DEAL" if you want but it was is and always has been a SELL OUT OF YOUR TERMS AND CONDITIONS if you vote yes it will cost you thousands of pounds in cash and tens of thousands on YOUR PENSION because RM will make the changes they want if you like it or not. (The pay rise does not even cover the loss of your early start allowance.) So RM have won on that alone! Vote yes and dont moan because you have to cover a "teams work" or pick up the slack in summer for mates that are on holiday instead of getting overtime for doing the same work that you used to get! WAKE UP REALISE THAT OUR LEADERS HAVE TRIED TO SELL US OUT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. VOTE NO



I dont like the deal, but it has nothing to do with pensions and you dont lose your early shift allowance.
So read the agreement again.
chief mc1man1vote.

Have to disagree with you, RM lied about pensions last year they told us all "They were safe" and unless i have missed something YOU HAVE ALREADY LOST YOUR EARLY SHIFT ALLOWANCE you may? get it for awhile but when you re-sign you will lose it! That is a CUT in your terms and conditions that will cost you 10 or 12 quid before all the rest of the cuts that WILL happen in your pay terms and conditions.
RM always wanted to devide pay from everything else and Hayes and ward have allowed that. REMEMBER WHEN WE TOOK THE VOTE IT WAS ABOUT A PAY RISE AND THE REMOVAL OF ALL STRINGS. Not a pay cut and more strings. If your happy with YOUR job getting harder, working later, and having RM tell you when you can and cant work vote yes if not VOTE NO.
:lfo :cfo

How can your job get harder, ????????????? the hours you do weekly,you are supposed to work, anything over your hours is overtime. I work my hours every day and have always done the job as im supposed to. Maybe you are used to finishing early every day and its because of people like you that royal mail have come knocking for those hours you make, comprende!!!!!!!

[chiefclaret]

You can go through the single letters and full stops of this "DEAL" if you want but it was is and always has been a SELL OUT OF YOUR TERMS AND CONDITIONS if you vote yes it will cost you thousands of pounds in cash and tens of thousands on YOUR PENSION because RM will make the changes they want if you like it or not. (The pay rise does not even cover the loss of your early start allowance.) So RM have won on that alone! Vote yes and dont moan because you have to cover a "teams work" or pick up the slack in summer for mates that are on holiday instead of getting overtime for doing the same work that you used to get! WAKE UP REALISE THAT OUR LEADERS HAVE TRIED TO SELL US OUT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. VOTE NO



I dont like the deal, but it has nothing to do with pensions and you dont lose your early shift allowance.
So read the agreement again.
chief mc1man1vote.

Have to disagree with you, RM lied about pensions last year they told us all "They were safe" and unless i have missed something YOU HAVE ALREADY LOST YOUR EARLY SHIFT ALLOWANCE you may? get it for awhile but when you re-sign you will lose it! That is a CUT in your terms and conditions that will cost you 10 or 12 quid before all the rest of the cuts that WILL happen in your pay terms and conditions.
RM always wanted to devide pay from everything else and Hayes and ward have allowed that. REMEMBER WHEN WE TOOK THE VOTE IT WAS ABOUT A PAY RISE AND THE REMOVAL OF ALL STRINGS. Not a pay cut and more strings. If your happy with YOUR job getting harder, working later, and having RM tell you when you can and cant work vote yes if not VOTE NO.
:lfo :cfo

How can your job get harder, ????????????? the hours you do weekly,you are supposed to work, anything over your hours is overtime. I work my hours every day and have always done the job as im supposed to. Maybe you are used to finishing early every day and its because of people like you that royal mail have come knocking for those hours you make, comprende!!!!!!!

When the strike breakers and creeps do your job a lot faster than you do by cutting corners miss delivering letters riding on the pavement coming in early and missing meal relief and you are taken upstairs for a warning because your work is not up to the standerd of the scab / creep thats how!

There are procedures to follow mate and if your being bullied or harrassed just follow them procedures. See your local rep and exlain to him if you feel you are being victimised.

[chiefclaret]

You can go through the single letters and full stops of this "DEAL" if you want but it was is and always has been a SELL OUT OF YOUR TERMS AND CONDITIONS if you vote yes it will cost you thousands of pounds in cash and tens of thousands on YOUR PENSION because RM will make the changes they want if you like it or not. (The pay rise does not even cover the loss of your early start allowance.) So RM have won on that alone! Vote yes and dont moan because you have to cover a "teams work" or pick up the slack in summer for mates that are on holiday instead of getting overtime for doing the same work that you used to get! WAKE UP REALISE THAT OUR LEADERS HAVE TRIED TO SELL US OUT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. VOTE NO



I dont like the deal, but it has nothing to do with pensions and you dont lose your early shift allowance.
So read the agreement again.
chief mc1man1vote.

Have to disagree with you, RM lied about pensions last year they told us all "They were safe" and unless i have missed something YOU HAVE ALREADY LOST YOUR EARLY SHIFT ALLOWANCE you may? get it for awhile but when you re-sign you will lose it! That is a CUT in your terms and conditions that will cost you 10 or 12 quid before all the rest of the cuts that WILL happen in your pay terms and conditions.
RM always wanted to devide pay from everything else and Hayes and ward have allowed that. REMEMBER WHEN WE TOOK THE VOTE IT WAS ABOUT A PAY RISE AND THE REMOVAL OF ALL STRINGS. Not a pay cut and more strings. If your happy with YOUR job getting harder, working later, and having RM tell you when you can and cant work vote yes if not VOTE NO.
:lfo :cfo

How can your job get harder, ????????????? the hours you do weekly,you are supposed to work, anything over your hours is overtime. I work my hours every day and have always done the job as im supposed to. Maybe you are used to finishing early every day and its because of people like you that royal mail have come knocking for those hours you make, comprende!!!!!!!

When the strike breakers and creeps do your job a lot faster than you do by cutting corners miss delivering letters riding on the pavement coming in early and missing meal relief and you are taken upstairs for a warning because your work is not up to the standerd of the scab / creep thats how!

There are procedures to follow mate and if your being bullied or harrassed just follow them procedures. See your local rep and exlain to him if you feel you are being victimised.

This is real life we are talking about! Some offices have crap reps others have none should we let the management get on with it or have a good National agreement that we can all look at and understand and work too? Wakey wakey DEVIDE AND CONQUER, sorry friend we aint singing from the same hyme sheet see a bit more life but please dont bother me i aint interested!

So your a loser, if you dont have a local rep, you have area reps and div reps, if you dont use them what are you paying union subs for. I dont understand you, or maybe your not in the union at all,if you are,stand up and fight for your rights. Dont bury your head in the sand.