The CWU and the 'Warchest' - explanation needed

[Acca Dacca]

Over to you Woody

[LouBarlow]

Over to you Woody

So you won’t even google it to try and justify your opinion on employment law? Wow. I expected a little more effort.

[Acca Dacca]

Over to you Woody

So you won’t even google it to try and justify your opinion on employment law? Wow. I expected a little more effort.

I was merely allowing Woody to answer given you and him seem to be on the same page you might actually listen to him.

But youve already answered your own question. Sunday working is not on all of our contracts.

[LouBarlow]

Over to you Woody

So you won’t even google it to try and justify your opinion on employment law? Wow. I expected a little more effort.

I was merely allowing Woody to answer given you and him seem to be on the same page you might actually listen to him.

But youve already answered your own question. Sunday working is not on all of our contracts.

Yes, so we can be made to work it legally. We, yet again today, agree on something.

[Acca Dacca]

Over to you Woody

So you won’t even google it to try and justify your opinion on employment law? Wow. I expected a little more effort.

I was merely allowing Woody to answer given you and him seem to be on the same page you might actually listen to him.

But youve already answered your own question. Sunday working is not on all of our contracts.

Yes, so we can be made to work it legally. We, yet again today, agree on something.

Did you bother reading the post?
Not all of us have Sunday working in our contracts.

If you do, then of course you can be asked to work Sundays as there is no change of contract needed but that doesnt make it mandatory for every worker regardless of whats in their contract.

[LouBarlow]

Over to you Woody

So you won’t even google it to try and justify your opinion on employment law? Wow. I expected a little more effort.

I was merely allowing Woody to answer given you and him seem to be on the same page you might actually listen to him.

But youve already answered your own question. Sunday working is not on all of our contracts.

Yes, so we can be made to work it legally. We, yet again today, agree on something.

Did you bother reading the post?
Not all of us have Sunday working in our contracts.

If you do, then of course you can be asked to work Sundays as there is no change of contract needed but that doesnt make it mandatory for every worker regardless of whats in their contract.

Can you clarify where in your contract it states the days you will be expected to work and/or any employment law that would prevent RM from making you work Sundays going forward?

[Acca Dacca]

Over to you Woody

So you won’t even google it to try and justify your opinion on employment law? Wow. I expected a little more effort.

I was merely allowing Woody to answer given you and him seem to be on the same page you might actually listen to him.

But youve already answered your own question. Sunday working is not on all of our contracts.

Yes, so we can be made to work it legally. We, yet again today, agree on something.

Did you bother reading the post?
Not all of us have Sunday working in our contracts.

If you do, then of course you can be asked to work Sundays as there is no change of contract needed but that doesnt make it mandatory for every worker regardless of whats in their contract.

Can you clarify where in your contract it states the days you will be expected to work and/or any employment law that would prevent RM from making you work Sundays going forward?

Its not in my contract. Its not in most peoples contracts who were employed before recently when they started to include Sundays.

I have a 5 days over Mon-Sat contract. I can be asked to work any day Mon-Sat as long as I get a day off within those 6 days. I cant be forced to work Sundays.

If Sunday is not in your contract, then thats what prevents Royal Mail forcing you to work Sundays.

Is Sunday working on yours?

[k979aaa]

Back in the day in the late 1980's we had to do Sundays a 7 day week! At Christmas

[LouBarlow]

Over to you Woody

So you won’t even google it to try and justify your opinion on employment law? Wow. I expected a little more effort.

I was merely allowing Woody to answer given you and him seem to be on the same page you might actually listen to him.

But youve already answered your own question. Sunday working is not on all of our contracts.

Yes, so we can be made to work it legally. We, yet again today, agree on something.

Did you bother reading the post?
Not all of us have Sunday working in our contracts.

If you do, then of course you can be asked to work Sundays as there is no change of contract needed but that doesnt make it mandatory for every worker regardless of whats in their contract.

Can you clarify where in your contract it states the days you will be expected to work and/or any employment law that would prevent RM from making you work Sundays going forward?

Its not in my contract. Its not in most peoples contracts who were employed before recently when they started to include Sundays.

I have a 5 days over Mon-Sat contract. I can be asked to work any day Mon-Sat as long as I get a day off within those 6 days. I cant be forced to work Sundays.

When was the last time you looked at your contract as mine doesn’t state any days just hours?

[Acca Dacca]

Over to you Woody

So you won’t even google it to try and justify your opinion on employment law? Wow. I expected a little more effort.

I was merely allowing Woody to answer given you and him seem to be on the same page you might actually listen to him.

But youve already answered your own question. Sunday working is not on all of our contracts.

Yes, so we can be made to work it legally. We, yet again today, agree on something.

Did you bother reading the post?
Not all of us have Sunday working in our contracts.

If you do, then of course you can be asked to work Sundays as there is no change of contract needed but that doesnt make it mandatory for every worker regardless of whats in their contract.

Can you clarify where in your contract it states the days you will be expected to work and/or any employment law that would prevent RM from making you work Sundays going forward?

Its not in my contract. Its not in most peoples contracts who were employed before recently when they started to include Sundays.

I have a 5 days over Mon-Sat contract. I can be asked to work any day Mon-Sat as long as I get a day off within those 6 days. I cant be forced to work Sundays.

When was the last time you looked at your contract as mine doesn’t state any days just hours?

Part of the agreement is actually that new contracts for new entrants will include regular Sunday working as a requirement. My contract doesnt include this. Maybe ask yourself why this would make up part of the new agreement if RM could have all of us working Sundays under the terms of our current contracts.

Unless it is stipulated in your contract that you may be required to work Sundays, you cant be forced to work Sundays. Why do you feel the need to continue to labour your argument against this? If Woody said it would you accept it? Believe me or not - ive said what ive said.

[Woody Guthrie]

Compulsory Sunday working is one of the very few things that require a specific clause in your contract .

It's a throwback to different times.

Who knew religion could be a good thing.

[k979aaa]

Over to you Woody

So you won’t even google it to try and justify your opinion on employment law? Wow. I expected a little more effort.

I was merely allowing Woody to answer given you and him seem to be on the same page you might actually listen to him.

But youve already answered your own question. Sunday working is not on all of our contracts.

Yes, so we can be made to work it legally. We, yet again today, agree on something.

Did you bother reading the post?
Not all of us have Sunday working in our contracts.

If you do, then of course you can be asked to work Sundays as there is no change of contract needed but that doesnt make it mandatory for every worker regardless of whats in their contract.

Can you clarify where in your contract it states the days you will be expected to work and/or any employment law that would prevent RM from making you work Sundays going forward?

Its not in my contract. Its not in most peoples contracts who were employed before recently when they started to include Sundays.

I have a 5 days over Mon-Sat contract. I can be asked to work any day Mon-Sat as long as I get a day off within those 6 days. I cant be forced to work Sundays.

When was the last time you looked at your contract as mine doesn’t state any days just hours?

Part of the agreement is actually that new contracts for new entrants will include regular Sunday working as a requirement. My contract doesnt include this.

Unless it is stipulated in your contract that you may be required to work Sundays, you cant be forced to work Sundays. Why do you feel the need to continue to labour your argument against this? If Woody said it would you accept it? Believe me or not - ive said what ive said.

Contract as an when required was always the case back in the day!

[scotchy1962]

It's not all a illusion, your contract of employment is just that, what they can or cannot do within this contract i would imagine is stipulated in said contract or when being negotiated with your representative (Union) during pay negotiations.
No agreement means your current contract is still valid in my opinion.
A yes vote will mean a change in your contract to allow for the new terms.
Don't know or think that in layman's terms its any more complicated than that.
Although i am sure someone will correct me.

[Woody Guthrie]

What makes it complicated is changes that are not specifically covered in your contract.

If just as an example your contract simply says you will work 37hrs any 5 days from 6, Monday to Saturday between the hours of 6am and 6pm changes to start times would only be contractual if they moved you outside of those terms.

I think if Royal Mail were to force through changes to start times without an agreement they would probably do it in smaller incremental steps, probably 30 mins at a time would be enough to be considered reasonable by an employment tribunal but they could easily do that every six months or so until they get us to where they want us.

[Nickvilla20]

My old office were constantly changing start times. It varied between 6:24 and 7:20 for full timers and not usually with any notice either.