Fao Martin Walsh / New start times

[Woody Guthrie]

I'm being asked to vote on what's in front of me, and that's a dreadful, completely unacceptable agreement.

What happens after a no vote is not on the ballot paper, and is above my pay grade grade.

You are asked to weigh the consequences of both options before making a choice.

[77SAMPOST77]

If the results of any ballot return a rejection from the members, then surely the CWU executive have to respect that ballot and go back to Royal Mail and fight for a better option, even if they do not agree?

In another thread Dave and Andy are being described as clowns and muppets and on this thread anyone who believes it's the wrong move to reject the deal is accused of waving the white flag. .

Since the PEC also believe that this is an acceptable deal they must also be clowns and muppets waving the white flag.

Are you suggesting we send these people back into the room to negotiate a better deal?

With what exactly?
A comely smile and a packet of custard creams?

Reality Check.
There isn't a significantly better deal in the room that would be worth the risk of a game of Russian Roulette with our jobs.

Question by gloomy Lou (Are you suggesting we send these people back into the room to negotiate a better deal?)

Answer , Yes that is what they are overpaid for .

[Woody Guthrie]

Okay so despite the fact that Dave and Andy have gone on record as saying this is the best deal under the circumstances you want to send them in to get more?

You haven't really thought this through have you?

[77SAMPOST77]

Okay so despite the fact that Dave and Andy have gone on record as saying this is the best deal under the circumstances you want to send them in to get more?

You haven't really thought this through have you?

Yes get more because they are selling us out , This is not the best deal at all , how gullible are you believing everything people tell you .

It is the people who want to vote yes who have not thought it through ,

It is a pathetic sell out deal and if you say yes there will be more of the same reduction in terms and conditions to come .

[nuisance]

Okay so despite the fact that Dave and Andy have gone on record as saying this is the best deal under the circumstances you want to send them in to get more?

RM's circumstances are not our concern. Our own circumstances are that we get up every morning and bust our asses still doing our job for them. If there was no work we couldn't be. If it wasn't making them money we wouldn't be. This train isn't still chugging along for no reason, it's because the work keeps on coming and we're the ones up for doing it. Now if you think that means we have to sign up to getting totally punished and exploited for it because RM are somehow squirreling away all the money from it, you need to have a word with yourself. Then go and give the other union lumps a well deserved kick up the backside and remind them that they represent us and our interests, not RM's or their own.

[Woody Guthrie]

Yes get more because they are selling us out , This is not the best deal at all , how gullible are you believing everything people tell you .

Hey you guys that are selling us out, go get us more.
Yeah okay..

It is the people who want to vote yes who have not thought it through ,

I've thought it through from both sides, I've thought through the consequences of a yes vote and I've thought through the consequences of a no vote.

You haven't, you're blind to one side because you're fixated with the other. Whether this deal is accepted or not nothing will stand still, in the words of the late Marvin Gaye.. Change gonna come. This agreement gives us some chance to mitigate that change, try to get what we can from it.

It is a pathetic sell out deal

No it's just not a very good deal which in the present circumstances is way better than the alternative.

[Woody Guthrie]

RM's circumstances are not our concern.

I'll keep that in mind when we're standing together at the job centre.

Are job centres still aa thing?

[77SAMPOST77]

RM's circumstances are not our concern.

I'll keep that in mind when we're standing together at the job centre.

Are job centres still aa thing?

More scaremongering by gloom and doom Lou .

[Nickvilla20]

The days of strong unionised companies are long gone sadly as soon as we were privatised I knew this was coming.

I mean even the public sector unions don’t even have any pull now and the RMT dispute is still on going.

I’m voting yes and no because I think it’s a good deal but because it’s the best we are going to get. I haven’t seen one suggestion of what will change will a no vote. I see people wanting more strikes but that’s not going to happen unless you go wildcat.

I can’t speak for everyone but I imagine many are just fed up with it all and will just want job security and some extra money in their wages. I’ve always said for a unionised workforce we are also a very selfish one and i think it’s showing on here now.

[nuisance]

RM's circumstances are not our concern.

I'll keep that in mind when we're standing together at the job centre.

Not me, I'm a fit useful worker who has turned down alternative work. Do not devalue posties as if they couldn't do other jobs. We are capable, hard-working individuals and if you want to run yourself down to thinking that if there were no RM unemployment is your only alternative, fine, but most of us know we offer a lot and are not scared by this rubbish!

[Woody Guthrie]

RM's circumstances are not our concern.

I'll keep that in mind when we're standing together at the job centre.

Are job centres still aa thing?

More scaremongering by gloom and doom Lou .

It worries me that not only do you not know what you're talking about you don't even know who you're talking to...

[redlen]

Are you suggesting we send these people back into the room to negotiate a better deal?

Well, the RCN are doing exactly that.

But that still does not change the fact the members reject a proposed deal through a democratic mandate and the executive has an
obligation to respect and endorse that ballot result.

If not, what is the point of even having a ballot and giving the members a say?

[postslippete]

It's strange that the same guys who are slagging off the CWU and accusing people of being CWU plants are calling for more strikes.

Who is going to organise these strikes?

Dave said a lot of things in Glasgow and one of the things he did say was that further industrial action would be an act of self harm putting the business and therefore all our jobs at real risk.

Given that the entire top table of the CWU supports this agreement and the PEC endorsed this agreement who is going to be left standing to take us to the gate?

A bunch of keyboard warriors?

Dave also said that one of the members main concerns were the revisions that have been imposed and deliberately failing the USO and quality of service. The fact that he was also questioning whether to put the ballot out is concerning.

What's stopping RM from agreeing to this deal and then 6 months later ploughing on with all the changes they want to do anyway?? They have already shown what they are capable of by implementing executive action and they've walked away from previous agreements -
what makes you think that this one is any different? Just because ST has gone according to Andy Furey there are 4 or 5 board members who have the same attitude of destroying the company. So why are we even agreeing a deal?

Time to grow a backbone. Vote NO!

[postslippete]

Okay so despite the fact that Dave and Andy have gone on record as saying this is the best deal under the circumstances you want to send them in to get more?

You haven't really thought this through have you?

Yes get more because they are selling us out , This is not the best deal at all , how gullible are you believing everything people tell you .

It is the people who want to vote yes who have not thought it through ,

It is a pathetic sell out deal and if you say yes there will be more of the same reduction in terms and conditions to come .

And that is exactly what is likely to happen. Unfortunately.

[ted_e_bear]

Can we get back to the original post question and have the start times please ?