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[Dexydog]

The point I was making is the union rep didn't speak out to reassure against the obvious ulterior motive.
Was it not supposed to be trialled first under agreements made between RM and the union?
If so, surely he should have stated this is the case, the trials have been completed and there's nothing to worry about.
We either have agreements or we don't.
The following day the union was expecting everyone to go out on strike.
Seems to me they're toothless to stop anything RM want to bring in.
If that's the case, fine- we roll over and let it happen.
If not, he should be telling us its not been fully agreed and put in a disagreement.
Just saying it how it is, otherwise what's the point in striking- perhaps the union need to start being more honest about what our chances are, not just with this but with all the other things they may just bring in and we can't stop.

Trialling has been completed at national level at multiple sites, several sites have had siso for over a year now

Thanks for that.
So, fine, we have no argument.

[Dexydog]

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[yellowbelly]

The point I was making is the union rep didn't speak out to reassure against the obvious ulterior motive.
Was it not supposed to be trialled first under agreements made between RM and the union?
If so, surely he should have stated this is the case, the trials have been completed and there's nothing to worry about.
We either have agreements or we don't.
The following day the union was expecting everyone to go out on strike.
Seems to me they're toothless to stop anything RM want to bring in.
If that's the case, fine- we roll over and let it happen.
If not, he should be telling us its not been fully agreed and put in a disagreement.
Just saying it how it is, otherwise what's the point in striking- perhaps the union need to start being more honest about what our chances are, not just with this but with all the other things they may just bring in and we can't stop.

Trialling has been completed at national level at multiple sites, several sites have had siso for over a year now

Thanks for that.
So, fine, we have no argument.

LTB 346/22 was the notification from CWU of RM's intention to go ahead with the deployment of SISO following trials.

CWU have an issue with the full deployment within the current state of industrial relations and uncertainty
as to what RM could use the data for - see the LTB here if you want the full story: viewtopic.php?f=82&t=106426&p=994960&hilit=siso#p994960

[Dexydog]

OK.
So having read that, this is more executive action- the union have no issue with SISO unless and until it isn't used alongside annualised hours.
Which they have had no confirmation of.
I repeat, our union rep said NOTHING when this was announced by the COM.
Whilst I appreciate the union is powerless to stop it and its nefarious uses, this just shows we are being taken for mugs as its another agreement that's being broken.
And the union rep had no objection to the announcement.
Quite frankly, I've had enough of this bull, sorry everyone but I'm out of the strike- it's pointless.

[mjd24]

RM must be the only major company that doesn't have a swipe in swipe out procedure. We all have ID cards and I for one have no issue with it at all. People who have easy duties, come in early and dont take breaks certainly will. At least we could have some hard evidence of the easy duties so revisions could be done in some kind of order starting with the minority who work part time hours for full time pay while the majority struggle to complete.

What if you have an easy duty but you drag it out and get back bang on time?

[Woody Guthrie]

Quite frankly, I've had enough of this bull, sorry everyone but I'm out of the strike- it's pointless.

If you want to cross a picket line at least have the courage to stand up for that decision on its own merit without looking for a weak excuse.

The installation of SISO machines is the least of our worries, the union is fighting to keep you in a job, not enable you to go home early.

It has been explained to you that the issue the union has is with the use of the data derived from the system and reps have been told to enter disagreement and invoke the IR Framework for any use other than simply a record of signing in and out.

What else can the union do, call for strike action?
Oh wait they already have .... you're out because it's apparently pointless.

[SpacePhoenix]

RM must be the only major company that doesn't have a swipe in swipe out procedure. We all have ID cards and I for one have no issue with it at all. People who have easy duties, come in early and dont take breaks certainly will. At least we could have some hard evidence of the easy duties so revisions could be done in some kind of order starting with the minority who work part time hours for full time pay while the majority struggle to complete.

What if you have an easy duty but you drag it out and get back bang on time?

We've been told that RM are looking to bring in individual performance standards, if they do, no one will be able to drag out their duty, in any type of office

[Dexydog]

Quite frankly, I've had enough of this bull, sorry everyone but I'm out of the strike- it's pointless.

If you want to cross a picket line at least have the courage to stand up for that decision on its own merit without looking for a weak excuse.

The installation of SISO machines is the least of our worries, the union is fighting to keep you in a job, not enable you to go home early.

It has been explained to you that the issue the union has is with the use of the data derived from the system and reps have been told to enter disagreement and invoke the IR Framework for any use other than simply a record of signing in and out.

What else can the union do, call for strike action?
Oh wait they already have .... you're out because it's apparently pointless.

Its not a weak excuse, its the final straw.
You don't seem to be hearing we have a rep who not only said nothing during the COM's announcement, but has presided over years of part timers not being made up to full time.
When asked about weekly resource meetings you may as well talk to the wall.
H and S rep who literally says bugger all whenever you ask him about all manner of issues with our run down office- and I'm talking about serious hazards with the potential to do serious harm.
And then we have total lack of information being passed on- the only info I get is from coming on here; and I mean the ONLY info- gate meeting last week and that's been it after, what, 5 days of striking.
Woody, you may well be a decent rep who does his best- all I've seen in nearly 30 years has been a succession of totally under qualified and useless reps, on all sorts of issues, and I've had enough.
So don't accuse me of "looking for a weak excuse not to strike"- I have plenty.
I'm not stupid- I know how difficult it is for the union in this climate, I've just lost the will and if it comes to it I can afford just to leave before I'm pushed.

[postslippete]

We've been told that RM are looking to bring in individual performance standards, if they do, no one will be able to drag out their duty, in any type of office

Unless they have a medical condition that may cause them to drag out their duty?