Payrise

[rogersh]

Royal Mail ‘historic advance’ in work-life balance;
EDIT;
Postal September 2018
"..............The reduction, is the first stage of a scheduled flight path from 39-hour to a 35-hour working week and is a key element of the ground-breaking Four Pillars of Security national agreement."

It was suggested the reason for delay of the "flight path" was 2 years of dispute when Rico Back was CEO. I believe that the CWU will press for the SWW, whether 2 hours at once or staggered, perhaps 1 hour in October this year & then to 35 in April 2023?

[mjd24]

I regularly found it impossible to complete when wr were on 39 hours a week. We’ve since dropped down and are now at 37 hours a week but with no less work to do- in fact we now have extra little things like consumer collection as well as the huge increase in packets since covid. And surprise surprise i still find it impossible to complete apart from the exceedingly rare very light days.

The idea of then dropping another 2 hours per week and expected to do the same work load is just nuts.

[blacov]

I regularly found it impossible to complete when wr were on 39 hours a week. We’ve since dropped down and are now at 37 hours a week but with no less work to do- in fact we now have extra little things like consumer collection as well as the huge increase in packets since covid. And surprise surprise i still find it impossible to complete apart from the exceedingly rare very light days.

The idea of then dropping another 2 hours per week and expected to do the same work load is just nuts.

This is exactly the case I was making. CWU should drop the SWW and get us a real pay rise. Our workloads have increased so it makes no sense to lose even more time. Only time will tell if our union leaders will actually come up with something good for us. Hopefull will not trade away too many benefits otherwise it makes it all not worthy.

[Clappedoutpostie]

I don’t understand why people don’t want a shorter week for the same pay. It’s about safeguarding our jobs for the future.

[2yearpostie]

I don’t understand why people don’t want a shorter week for the same pay. It’s about safeguarding our jobs for the future.

because you either end up going over, or bringing mail back and doing double the next day. its not much of a rest.

[clashcityrocker]

I don’t understand why people don’t want a shorter week for the same pay. It’s about safeguarding our jobs for the future.

because you either end up going over, or bringing mail back and doing double the next day. its not much of a rest.

If you didn't have sufficient resources on a 40 hour week you would get the same result.
The problem isn't the number of contracted hours you have it is the workload.

You wouldn't be complaining about a 35 hour week if you only had 1 hour of prep and a 3 hour delivery.
(But then we can't all work in London. Ooh that was a bit bitchy)

[Clappedoutpostie]

because you either end up going over, or bringing mail back and doing double the next day. its not much of a rest.

That’s because of bad revisions though, clearly there would need to be further revisions with the correct parcel traffic levels not out of date pre covid levels to achieve 35 hours. The whole point of the 35 hour week is to protect jobs, not for now but for what will be coming down the line towards us in the near future.

[heapsy]

It wouldn't surprise me if we got a 2/3 year pay deal. RM and CWU seem to favour them and I can see why.

[Hyrrokkin]

The unions policy for the April Pay Rise is the following :

1. A pay rise of inflation or above.

2. 35 hour gross working week without loss to pay meaning the final 2 hours off the working week.

3. An increase in overtime rates.

4. A commitment to more 3,4 day working.

Of course no pay increase comes without strings and that is going to be the negotiation!

Why !
CWU have given up so much we will have no terms left in a few years...same old same old and ever thus shall be
There has to be a line in the sand when you say no more

[TopperGas]

because you either end up going over, or bringing mail back and doing double the next day. its not much of a rest.

That’s because of bad revisions though, clearly there would need to be further revisions with the correct parcel traffic levels not out of date pre covid levels to achieve 35 hours. The whole point of the 35 hour week is to protect jobs, not for now but for what will be coming down the line towards us in the near future.

As a relative newbie to the RM could you explain how a SWW safeguards jobs? Surely if RM ever decides to cut the number of jobs then it doesn't really matter if f/ter's work 37 or 35 hour a week?

[clashcityrocker]

As a relative newbie to the RM could you explain how a SWW safeguards jobs? Surely if RM ever decides to cut the number of jobs then it doesn't really matter if f/ter's work 37 or 35 hour a week?

It is to do with the fourth industrial revolution.
The automation of large parts of our work has already caused the loss of thousands of jobs. Tens of thousands.

By decreasing the number of hours in our full time contracts without any loss of pay it is hoped that further automation will take out fewer jobs.

[jessicarabbit]

Is that the automation that means I stand and manually sort packets for 2 hours every morning,?
Or the automation where I stand at my frame for 2 hours putting the mail and packets in an efficient delivery order?
Or the automation where I plod the streets for 5 hours delivering said mail and parcels?

In the nearly 30 years I have worked at RM I have seen very little to no impact on my day to day workload due to automation. Mail centres I accept may be slightly more affected.

SWW only benefits strong / London offices. Everywhere else picks up the strain by people coming in even earlier and skipping more breaks.

I want a minimum of inflation payrise and increased overtime incentive just so I can pay my gas bill next year. Anything less and I will be saving myself 3.50 a week

[Nickvilla20]

I’ve had 60 calls added to my delivery in the revision probably adds another 10 to 15 minutes per day that’s without waiting for people to answer the door. They will really need to reduce indoor time massively to get to a 35 hour week and I really don’t see this happening.

[SpacePhoenix]

Is that the automation that means I stand and manually sort packets for 2 hours every morning,?
Or the automation where I stand at my frame for 2 hours putting the mail and packets in an efficient delivery order?
Or the automation where I plod the streets for 5 hours delivering said mail and parcels?

In the nearly 30 years I have worked at RM I have seen very little to no impact on my day to day workload due to automation. Mail centres I accept may be slightly more affected.

SWW only benefits strong / London offices. Everywhere else picks up the strain by people coming in even earlier and skipping more breaks.

I want a minimum of inflation payrise and increased overtime incentive just so I can pay my gas bill next year. Anything less and I will be saving myself 3.50 a week

Walk sequencing of packets its already possible but the existing machines on the market probably aren't fast enough yet

[Chelseablue]

I’ve had 60 calls added to my delivery in the revision probably adds another 10 to 15 minutes per day that’s without waiting for people to answer the door. They will really need to reduce indoor time massively to get to a 35 hour week and I really don’t see this happening.

Nick you got off lightly with 60 call extra , lot of our dutys with 100s more calls hence mail being left daily.