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THE PATHWAY TO CHANGE!

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scoobydo79
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Who the Hell in RM thinks up these titles? They sound like there made up by Goebbels!!! :roll:
k979aaa
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ddtc wrote:
25 Dec 2020, 18:49
Now that is a better response. I was hoping you'd say pay wasn't an issue and understand that in the current situation we are in that job security is and the pay offer was a bonus. As with the other issues and hoops can you be more specific what you don't like?
If you know me money is no issue to an agreement it it's what you have to do for it. Job security is what it is depends on contract and when you signed it ask Boris. The pay offer is a kick in the balls
clocking in and out with cards?
Sunday working
look at the agreement http://www.cwu.org/wp-content/uploads/2 ... _Final.pdf read the whole thing come back and ask questions!
P13
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matthew68 wrote:
25 Dec 2020, 18:56
Does this deal mean full timers will actually work there hours then?
Part timers as well
k979aaa
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scoobydo79 wrote:
25 Dec 2020, 19:05
Who the Hell in RM thinks up these titles? They sound like there made up by Goebbels!!! :roll:
THE WAY FORWARD
AGENDER FOR CHANGE
THE ROAD TO MOSCOW :nervous :chuckle
worktotime
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k979aaa wrote:
25 Dec 2020, 17:33
2.2 Culture
RMG and CWU recognise that to be successful in the future RMG must become an
organisation where the overarching culture is one of engagement and local managers, CWU
reps and employees being encouraged and empowered to agree local solutions on day to
day operational issues. To this end, we are committed to working together on workplace
culture which deals with the issues identified in our joint culture visits, reflects the agreed
commitment to our people, and raises the profile of emotional intelligence, mental health,
morale and incentive in line with our existing agreements. Here is the deal of the century of how we can respect postal workers in the 21 century don't blink or you will miss it.
so reading this there will be no change in the culture and you will still have the usual arguments if you just want to work your hours and you will get the usual shite thrown at you . :thumbup
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worktotime wrote:
25 Dec 2020, 19:22
k979aaa wrote:
25 Dec 2020, 17:33
2.2 Culture
RMG and CWU recognise that to be successful in the future RMG must become an
organisation where the overarching culture is one of engagement and local managers, CWU
reps and employees being encouraged and empowered to agree local solutions on day to
day operational issues. To this end, we are committed to working together on workplace
culture which deals with the issues identified in our joint culture visits, reflects the agreed
commitment to our people, and raises the profile of emotional intelligence, mental health,
morale and incentive in line with our existing agreements. Here is the deal of the century of how we can respect postal workers in the 21 century don't blink or you will miss it.
so reading this there will be no change in the culture and you will still have the usual arguments if you just want to work your hours and you will get the usual shite thrown at you . :thumbup
Yes you hit the nail on the head!
worktotime
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k979aaa wrote:
25 Dec 2020, 17:42
2.7 Pay
In recognition of the efforts of employees and in support of the change agenda as set out in
this agreement, RMG and CWU have agreed a two year pay deal up to and including March
2022, as follows:
1. A 2.7% pay increase payable effective from April 2020. This will be applied to
base pay rates or salary and flow through to overtime, scheduled attendance, basic
pay supplements, functional supplements and allowances (except RRIS, legacy and
reserved right payments), skills and unsocial hours’ allowances, London weighting
and Scottish Distant Islands allowance. The backdated pay will be paid as soon as
possible following full ratification by CWU of this deal;
2. A further pay increase of 1% with effect from April 2021. This will be applied to
base pay rates or salary and flow through to overtime, scheduled attendance, basic
pay supplements, functional supplements and allowances (except RRIS, legacy and
reserved right payments), skills and unsocial hours’ allowances, London weighting
and Scottish Distant Islands allowance;
3. The second hour of the shorter working week or equivalent benefit to be
implemented at the point that a 2021 revision activity is deployed in a function/unit.
Less than full time employees and those on the new 35hrs full-time duties introduced
in the 2018 Agreement will see their hourly rate increased in lieu of the shorter
working week.
This is the pay bit hardly stunning is it and that is if you can jump through all the hoops as last time the hoops were tightened a lass were doomed if we don't vote for this pile of steaming s**t in the new year!
so for the 1 hour off the working week they will be looking to strip dutys out of offices by doing revisions and what if it is like our office and it would be impossible to take deliverys out as the dutys havent been touched since p&l started but the work has increased new builds , collections , post box collections , knocking on neighbours and massive increase on parcels ,so they will need to put stuff in so would you get the hour ? and is this the hour we should of got over a year ago ? which to me has the same f***ing strings attached to it , SAVINGS and self funding .
rambo1
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k979aaa wrote:
25 Dec 2020, 02:27
Since when have RM agreed too implement any of this s**t they come up with? All this for 3.7% over two years and people eyes light up but look at the detail it is a sad time when the culture of the business is a glossed over one paragraph. I shall be against this so called deal and it is best described as an abomination of a bad deal and we must resit this huge concessions for little gain on the workers part!
Are you talking about brexit? Happy Christmas.
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rambo1 wrote:
25 Dec 2020, 19:48
k979aaa wrote:
25 Dec 2020, 02:27
Since when have RM agreed too implement any of this s**t they come up with? All this for 3.7% over two years and people eyes light up but look at the detail it is a sad time when the culture of the business is a glossed over one paragraph. I shall be against this so called deal and it is best described as an abomination of a bad deal and we must resit this huge concessions for little gain on the workers part!
Are you talking about brexit? Happy Christmas.
Since when did we get 3.7% of anything of the EU?
k979aaa
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worktotime wrote:
25 Dec 2020, 19:35
k979aaa wrote:
25 Dec 2020, 17:42
2.7 Pay
In recognition of the efforts of employees and in support of the change agenda as set out in
this agreement, RMG and CWU have agreed a two year pay deal up to and including March
2022, as follows:
1. A 2.7% pay increase payable effective from April 2020. This will be applied to
base pay rates or salary and flow through to overtime, scheduled attendance, basic
pay supplements, functional supplements and allowances (except RRIS, legacy and
reserved right payments), skills and unsocial hours’ allowances, London weighting
and Scottish Distant Islands allowance. The backdated pay will be paid as soon as
possible following full ratification by CWU of this deal;
2. A further pay increase of 1% with effect from April 2021. This will be applied to
base pay rates or salary and flow through to overtime, scheduled attendance, basic
pay supplements, functional supplements and allowances (except RRIS, legacy and
reserved right payments), skills and unsocial hours’ allowances, London weighting
and Scottish Distant Islands allowance;
3. The second hour of the shorter working week or equivalent benefit to be
implemented at the point that a 2021 revision activity is deployed in a function/unit.
Less than full time employees and those on the new 35hrs full-time duties introduced
in the 2018 Agreement will see their hourly rate increased in lieu of the shorter
working week.
This is the pay bit hardly stunning is it and that is if you can jump through all the hoops as last time the hoops were tightened a lass were doomed if we don't vote for this pile of steaming s**t in the new year!
so for the 1 hour off the working week they will be looking to strip dutys out of offices by doing revisions and what if it is like our office and it would be impossible to take deliverys out as the dutys havent been touched since p&l started but the work has increased new builds , collections , post box collections , knocking on neighbours and massive increase on parcels ,so they will need to put stuff in so would you get the hour ? and is this the hour we should of got over a year ago ? which to me has the same f***ing strings attached to it , SAVINGS and self funding .
One whole hour off the working week and a 2.7% pay rise don't sound so good it is not what you give but what receive after giving your all!
derekm
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Post by derekm »

Looking at posts on here there are mixed views on how this deal is taken i.e. back pay job security etc. But believe me this is a crap deal we have gained nothing apart from a pay rise the small print in this deal will screw us all over after 25 yrs in the job never known them to keep there word on a deal .the 4 pillars springs to mind
k979aaa
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derekm wrote:
25 Dec 2020, 20:07
Looking at posts on here there are mixed views on how this deal is taken i.e. back pay job security etc. But believe me this is a crap deal we have gained nothing apart from a pay rise the small print in this deal will screw us all over after 25 yrs in the job never known them to keep there word on a deal .the 4 pillars springs to mind
Seconded
shepherdess
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Post by shepherdess »

So the hour of the working week is linked to revisions being implemented, so my question is if your office has a revision does it get the hour or must we wait for an entire region to implement revisions,otherwise different offices will be on more hours per week ,part time staff will be on different rates of pay
k979aaa
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shepherdess wrote:
25 Dec 2020, 20:34
So the hour of the working week is linked to revisions being implemented, so my question is if your office has a revision does it get the hour or must we wait for an entire region to implement revisions,otherwise different offices will be on more hours per week ,part time staff will be on different rates of pay
It will be office by office and then?
mags999
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surely an hour of the working week means doing ten minutes less per day on delivery so where are tha savings coming from until the uso is changed they obviously think we can graft a lot harder than we doing at the minute can see a lot of problems ahead with possible extra workload in less time. the pay deal is decent but the rest has many holes in it especially for the older long servers who are struggling physically about time the union addressed this problem with vrs or 3 day weeks for those that want it or need it :sad: