RM:LATER STARTS ARE IN OUR CONTRACT!!!

[stroltroll]

Going on about contracts - I've just been to the ACAS website - has anyone been there before? I found this and amongst it there is one part which says:

What happens when an employer varies a contract without the agreement of the employee?

If an employer imposes changes in contractual terms without the agreement of the employee, there will be a breach of contract. :cfo :lfo

You can read more at this link: http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=816

Very interesting!!!

[goinpostal]

if they are going to go ahead with this then the union should insist on a "clocking on and clocking off" device as they have in factories. So every one works to thier hours and there would be no disputes on what you have/have not worked.

problem is the proposals say we would have no right to work to our time if there was a bulk mailing - and i think also if someone went off sick and the other 5 were forced to cover their walk, they are not allowed to cut off? anyone know?

[vigilante]

if they are going to go ahead with this then the union should insist on a "clocking on and clocking off" device as they have in factories. So every one works to thier hours and there would be no disputes on what you have/have not worked.

problem is the proposals say we would have no right to work to our time if there was a bulk mailing - and i think also if someone went off sick and the other 5 were forced to cover their walk, they are not allowed to cut off? anyone know?

UNDER THIS FLEXI CRAP YOU WOULD HAVE TO SORT AND TAKE EVERYTHING THEN BE STARTED LATER THE NEXT DAY,------WHAT HAPPENS THEN WHO KNOWS IF IT IS A BAD DAY AGAIN

[Par_BS23]

if they are going to go ahead with this then the union should insist on a "clocking on and clocking off" device as they have in factories. So every one works to thier hours and there would be no disputes on what you have/have not worked.

problem is the proposals say we would have no right to work to our time if there was a bulk mailing - and i think also if someone went off sick and the other 5 were forced to cover their walk, they are not allowed to cut off? anyone know?

I don't think they can impose flexibilty without agreement because you are contracted to do 40 hours a week. Therefore unlike a movement of start times this would constitute a major change in terms and conditions of our contracts and i believe if brought in under executive action would be a breach of contract in employment law

[POSTMAN]

Going on about contracts - I've just been to the ACAS website - has anyone been there before? I found this and amongst it there is one part which says:

What happens when an employer varies a contract without the agreement of the employee?

If an employer imposes changes in contractual terms without the agreement of the employee, there will be a breach of contract. :cfo :lfo

You can read more at this link: http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=816

Very interesting!!!

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/forum/vi ... php?t=4406

[Macca]

So many people asking can they! and what are the Union doing about it,well i've contacted the Union and they have yet to reply.
Done some diggin and here's what i got.
According to RM there's nothing you can do about it,below is a templet of the letter your DIM will give you if "Anyone writes to you(DIM) saying that they disagree with the new working times,and therefore intend to come to work at their existing start time"

No offense meant here but, RM could do a document with anything on it they wanted, doesnt mean its a true document, in my time ive seen management hand me documents saying that this or that is how something is supposed to be, only to find out that that is their interpretation and not the agreed process etc, and if you look at this document it doesnt give an example of what someones contract looks like or where it actually states they can change you contract, so until they give you or me something from a reputable solicitor/CWU HQ saying its so, i'd tell em where to poke it


:cfo :lfo

[BELIAL]

Going on about contracts - I've just been to the ACAS website - has anyone been there before? I found this and amongst it there is one part which says:

What happens when an employer varies a contract without the agreement of the employee?

If an employer imposes changes in contractual terms without the agreement of the employee, there will be a breach of contract. :cfo :lfo

You can read more at this link: http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=816

Very interesting!!!

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/forum/vi ... php?t=4406

Tis what i've been banging on about, mentioned it several times but not savvy enough to post web links.
Not only does it state breach of contract for unagreed changes, it also states that your contract comprises your usual duty at usual time ie. custom and practice ,trust and obligation, whatever, is written.
Such contracts are predicated legally on the principles of reciprocity and trust.
Take for instance' work to rule' deemed illegal because it implies unreasonable/over literal interpretation of contract to impede productivity, thus though the contract is adhered to, the spirit of the contract is undermined.
The custom and practice bit is worrying in as much as if the CWU fail to challenge this in the courts within a reasonable time we will be deemed to have accepted these changes to our contracts by default.
I do hope our union has retained the services of employment law specialists who are preparing our case right now. It is a bit unsatisfactory letting individual members raise objections only for them to be picked off and intimidated one by one.

[Stormproof]

I'm off sick at the mo, popped into work to hand in my Sick Cert and was told on my return to work my hours will be 6am-2pm Mon-Saturday
They have also taken quite a few duties away, mainly from the more senior staff, so they are now reserves............alot of p'd off peeps

[Wild Rover]

Print that ACAS form out and hand it in to your dom. They, of course, will say, i'll pass it on, and then proceed to do nothing, because they're good like that; getting paid for fuckall etc.

Anyway, it's clear the CWU have not agreed with RM about the later starts/change of contract hours, so why the f**k is every office displaying new starts times, if what the ACAS form shows is a breach of contract committed by RM?

[Wild Rover]

So many people asking can they! and what are the Union doing about it,well i've contacted the Union and they have yet to reply.
Done some diggin and here's what i got.
According to RM there's nothing you can do about it,below is a templet of the letter your DIM will give you if "Anyone writes to you(DIM) saying that they disagree with the new working times,and therefore intend to come to work at their existing start time"

Well, the ACAS guideline goes against the grain with that.

[24601]

Notice in our office from our DIM,later starts from 8th October

[BELIAL]

RM's aims from later starts are at least threefold:

1 psychological: in current climate we do what we like and you can't stop us.{wait and see,haha}

2 It is a blatant attempt to shed labour by the backdoor, on the cheap.

3 It is an essential prerequisite for them to recruit their new target workforce. How many housewives with kids are going to start work before the school run? Students up at 4am everyday ,don't think so.

[wabbithunta]

Not had mine yet.... New Contract that is. I don't think anyone at our office has, although we've been talking about it but not with any of the management though. As far as I'm concerned I'm going to go into work at my starting time of 5am next week and not 6am. I've not received anything in writing nor have I signed anything agreeing to the change, and as far as I'm aware the Union has not agreed to this. Or have they?

On another note When I was at my old job (as I mentioned in my 'intro' on joining this site) one of the changes made was to monthly pay.
We, the workforce, and our union, the T&G, fought this for a good few months and we ended up getting a payment from the Co. to change over from weekly pay to monthly pay. If I recall correctly we went over to bi-weekly for 6 months and then onto monthly pay after that. People were either paid on the 15th or the 28th of the month. I wouldn't be surprised if this is what RM try to do if/when they do try to make us go over to monthly pay. This consisted of 12 monthly payments

"Better to die on your feet than live a life time on your knees"

[strangler]

Where do you get a copy of your contract from, Payroll (Human Resources or whatever they call it) or from your office of employment? I`ve transferred a couple of times so if the latter would it be at my original office?