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[dvbuk55]

1. Possibly if you work in a D.O.
2.Possibly. It is a pretty ambiguous statement. Take it any way you please.(Weight off the shoulder)
3. Possibly if the spirit of the agreement is adhered to.

Well did we strike for possibilities. There seems to be a plethora of ambiguities whenever we have an agreement.

[POSTMAN]

1. Possibly if you work in a D.O.

But for how long???

2013 it will all kick off again.

[dvbuk55]

1. Possibly if you work in a D.O.

But for how long???

2013 it will all kick off again.

We won't get to 2013 pmn! I highlight a passage from LTB 279/10 dated 31st March 2010, whilst the Interim Agreement is still ongoing, at least so we are informed, and the new proposed agreement is on the table:

This contains a helpful list of questions and answers but crucially has no mention of consulting with the CWU at any stage or level. It also contains a section on resourcing which states that it is up to the DOM to decide the most appropriate approach for their office. Again, there is no reference to the CWU or to existing National Agreements, particularly the Way Forward.

The subject of the LTB is Enquiry Offices but as can be seen from our own CWU correspondence from Bob Gibson WHICH I might add is post the travelling circus and snake oil days that not only is RM reneging on consultation and involvement but sidelining any involvement at all when it states it is up to the DOM to decide the most appropriate approach ............ no mention of resource meetings to involve the CWU.

Out of the mouths of babes then - the pen hasn't even reached the paper and the supposed new understanding doesn't seem to have filtered down as far as Royal Mail - apparently the new understanding is only one sided.

[andy2007]

That would be difficult logistically. But if there's a way to pull it off, then I'm all for it!

Sadly. Although it's possible to keep us in the loop, and give us the opportunity to provide regular feedback to the negotiators. I still think we need a fairly small group to be there in person, to actually negotiate. We just need to be given the neccessary information, and the opportunity to provide useful feedback regularly throughout the process. So they can get what we actually want and need. Rather than what they THINK we might want or need.

Well you have to ask yourself this question - "Do they remotely care what we want and need" - personally I believe it has become the Wimbledon Self Preservation Society.

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Those are the reasons we went on strike - does this agreement fulfil those ambitions?

I think that's part of the problem. There are some areas, where they DO care what we want and need. But there are others that don't. For example, I have excellent Reps in my area. But I know of others, where they're a disgrace. But if we were kept in the loop Nationally, rather than just recieving certain areas opinions (as opposed to facts), and the opportunity to provide feedback. Then we'll have a better chance of avoiding all this bad feeling, and disasterous deals. Just look at what happened after 2007's farcical deal got voted in!

IMHO, if something isn't done fairly quickly. We could end up with exactly the divisions, and lack of trust in the CWU, that RM are counting on. Just look at some of the comments on RMC. People on both sides, resorting to personal insults, rather than discussing the issues rationally. If the deal was so representative of what we, the Members want, then why are we at each other's throats?