10% drop in volume?

[axeman]

We in the 'do's' just usually see the mail in trays so don't realise that it's been trayed from the direct bags (that fall of the trucks) these are not going through royal fails machines but have already been walksorted by machines in large users premmisess (royal fail financed) while ours are suposedly idle for the best part of the day wise move from our astute leaders

[norbert]

We in the 'do's' just usually see the mail in trays so don't realise that it's been trayed from the direct bags (that fall of the trucks) these are not going through royal fails machines but have already been walksorted by machines in large users premmisess (royal fail financed) while ours are suposedly idle for the best part of the day wise move from our astute leaders

RM can be a bit ? " selective " - more spin than a fairground ride

[pickaname]

I think its clear that RM have been fiddling the figures for ages.

Just look at what happened in Scotland and tell me hand on heart that its an isolated case.

In my office, for example, our budget is set based on a pegasus revision that hasnt even been implemented. The DOM stresses that pegasus should have been implemented last september so we are budgeting for it in any case. I ask you how can an office budget for a revision that hasnt been completed?

Spin on figures and budget is rife in RM; the pressure to make savings and claim huge bonuses will lead to fiddling. No question.

[DGP1]

I think its clear that RM have been fiddling the figures for ages.

Just look at what happened in Scotland and tell me hand on heart that its an isolated case.

In my office, for example, our budget is set based on a pegasus revision that hasnt even been implemented. The DOM stresses that pegasus should have been implemented last september so we are budgeting for it in any case. I ask you how can an office budget for a revision that hasnt been completed?

Spin on figures and budget is rife in RM; the pressure to make savings and claim huge bonuses will lead to fiddling. No question.

The same thing happened in my office but our Pegasus review was in the budget for 2 years before they pushed it in.

I really don't think RM can be trusted on anything anymore, the breakdown of trust is now total and if my manager told me the sky was blue, I'd go outside to check for myself .

[Phantom]

"Nothing to do with DSA" with regard to the common claim on here that mail volumes aren't dropping, it's just DSA is increasing.

False, of course, because DSA is still processed through RM automation and counted in the daily totals just like any other item of mail.

Why did the Courier state that all MC's were not counting all mail? and as i have said before, is an uncancelled letter still counted?

[pickaname]

"Nothing to do with DSA" with regard to the common claim on here that mail volumes aren't dropping, it's just DSA is increasing.

False, of course, because DSA is still processed through RM automation and counted in the daily totals just like any other item of mail.

Why did the Courier state that all MC's were not counting all mail? and as i have said before, is an uncancelled letter still counted?

Are dead letters counted?

[Phantom]

No, dead letters have already been processed, except if deads are not cancelled

[Tman]

No, dead letters have already been processed, except if deads are not cancelled

Deads aren't dead until they've already been processed through the system, so they've already been counted.
Letter totals aren't recorded (for the purposes of the overall throughputs) at the cancellation stage either, as so much mail now by-passes this stage.

[DGP1]

I've said it before, RM changed the way mail was counted a couple of years ago, around about the time that mail volumes started to fall

[axeman]

How dare you dispute tman's accurate account of all thing's royal fail

[Tman]

I've said it before, RM changed the way mail was counted a couple of years ago, around about the time that mail volumes started to fall

Any link to this assertion?

[Waste of time typing that, as "I'm not speaking to yoooou" won't get to read it anyway]

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I've said it before, RM changed the way mail was counted a couple of years ago, around about the time that mail volumes started to fall

Any link to this assertion?

We used to count it in DOs - we are not allowed to now - no link because they don't put that information on the 'net.

But this does make interesting reading ftp://ftp.royalmail.com/Downloads/publi ... 1Final.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Regulatory Financial Statements 2006-07

Regulatory accounting principles and basis of preparation
(ii) Traffic volumes

The activity based costing system makes extensive use of traffic volumes to assign costs to products.

Operational traffic methodology, based on sampling at mail centres, has been used as the basis for measuring inland stamped and metered traffic volumes. This approach involves determining traffic in the workplace by machine counting or by counting numbers of containers and applying statistical techniques.
Royal Mail recognises that there are inadequacies in the current traffic measurement and statistical procedures for stamps and meter traffic and has ongoing initiatives to improve the processes.

Non stamp and meter traffic i.e. “account traffic” volumes are sourced from billing or track and trace systems.

International traffic volumes are determined by applying a statistically derived “items per kilo” to the weight of mail carried to international destinations.

also no change in the next report either ftp://ftp.royalmail.com/Downloads/publi ... 007-08.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Regulatory Financial Statements 2007-08 - The latest one available.

Traffic volumes

The activity based costing system makes extensive use of traffic volumes to assign costs to
products.

Operational traffic methodology, based on sampling at mail centres, has been used as the
basis for measuring inland stamped and metered traffic volumes. This approach involves
determining traffic in the workplace by machine counting or by counting numbers of
containers and applying statistical techniques.

Royal Mail continues to refine its approach to traffic measurement and statistical
procedures for stamp and meter traffic.

Non stamp and meter traffic i.e. “account traffic” volumes are sourced from billing or track
and trace systems.

[Tman]

Whatever they used to count in DOs had no bearing on the national measurement of traffic. That comes from AI and it's associated data collection systems in the MCs.

Was that the "change" Disgruntled referred to?

[Night Tonic]

Royal Mail, with volume going up when everyone elses is going down. Thats a good un.

[axeman]

Ahha phase two's arrived for back up