disgruntledpostie1 wrote:My understanding of DSA is that it's delivered by the DSA companies to the individual MCs that the mail is for eg. all BT mail goes to the NIMC, so surely that reduces one step of the MC processing.
Anyone who works in a MC can let us know if this is the case or if the outward mail never goes near a machine (except Tman who is on my ignore list so I can't see any of his posts).
Funny that you've answered them recently, though.....
See this then, ALL the DSA mail goes through machines.
Some of you DO posties must work in a little bubble. Have you NO understanding of how the mail ends up in your DO?
Obviously not which is why we are asking about DSA.
Strange that not knowing what happens in a completely different office and set up that is up to 50 miles away from you. I mean I don't know the ins and outs all I know is that we collect it send it off to the MC and when we get in in the morning there its is waiting for us.
We ask questions because we don't know the answer its called self education. Surely its better to show ignorance by asking questions than proving stupidity by thinking you know it all and then getting or doing it wrong.
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Actually,could someone in the know,start a thread in the MC forum with the exact run down of how the pipeline works.
From start to finish,from RDC to DO and DSA as well.
And all the bits and bobs that go with it.
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It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been. My BFF Clash The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
I understand the walksort bit,but i was under the impression that it had to be sorted a certain way.
No, loaded onto machines just like all the rest.
We get now and then 'DSA out of access' or words to that effect on some DSA mail.
From what's been said on here, isn't that where mail is "time critical" (eg mailshots to coincide with TV ads etc) and/or just simply missed it's processing slot?
I recived my credit card bill due too this three weeks late it said mail recived out of course condition 9 access stamped in newcastle!. I would not put it past TNT too just dump it in the nearest mail center thats how they make a profit and while i and the rest are at a loss!. WE NEED EXPERTISE AND A PROFITABLE PARTNER. :mfo
disgruntledpostie1 wrote:My understanding of DSA is that it's delivered by the DSA companies to the individual MCs that the mail is for eg. all BT mail goes to the NIMC, so surely that reduces one step of the MC processing.
Anyone who works in a MC can let us know if this is the case or if the outward mail never goes near a machine (except Tman who is on my ignore list so I can't see any of his posts).
Funny that you've answered them recently, though.....
See this then, ALL the DSA mail goes through machines.
Some of you DO posties must work in a little bubble. Have you NO understanding of how the mail ends up in your DO?
Of course we do silly - somebody sends it and then somebody brings it to us and then we poke it through the door.
So it all goes to prove the old adage "there are lies, damn lies and statistics".
Not really, and if RM staff as a group continue to use that little saying as some sort of defence in the future, we're all in for a tough time.
We're in for a tough time if we accept the notion that the mail is dropping by huge amounts, then we agree unrealistic duty structures and can't deliver the odd one or two items we've got left to actually deliver. There is a mail level that offices were resourced at - has the level of mail risen or dropped since then?
We have seen a huge increase in packets - these are extremely time consuming. So I stand by my previous statement. You can massage figures to prove almost anyything - it is how RM plans affect your working day. Get a walk that can't be done then watch them bully you to show it can and blame you when it still can't
Thing that gets me is that Royal Mail will use Traffic figures when it suits and not call rates, but if it ever suited them to do the reverse they would do.
Ok if I accept the argument there is less mail, and on some days there are, the actual physical drop has absolutely no effect on how long it takes me to do the delivery part of it.
For instance and for arguments sake lets say there is a 5% drop in mail volumes - this would equate to about an average of 15 letters less on my walk - not a great deal and barely worth mentioning - in fact even if I lost 15 DPs based on that with RM allowing me 8 secs per address to deliver that would only equate to 2 minutes less delivery time. So perhaps Tman can see why we as delivery posties don't or in his view refuse to accept there is a reduction in letters, the problems is that this drop in letters has been surpassed by more packets through ebay/amazon/play.com/pills/free bulbs/smoke-alarms and this has meant that we are out on delivery longer than we used to be, yet RM refuse to accept this because traffic is down.
Rock and a hard place springs to mind. We may have less work in letters but the job has got harder as the call rate has increased with no change in duties or resources.
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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Thing that gets me is that Royal Mail will use Traffic figures when it suits and not call rates, but if it ever suited them to do the reverse they would do.
Ok if I accept the argument there is less mail, and on some days there are, the actual physical drop has absolutely no effect on how long it takes me to do the delivery part of it.
For instance and for arguments sake lets say there is a 5% drop in mail volumes - this would equate to about an average of 15 letters less on my walk - not a great deal and barely worth mentioning - in fact even if I lost 15 DPs based on that with RM allowing me 8 secs per address to deliver that would only equate to 2 minutes less delivery time. So perhaps Tman can see why we as delivery posties don't or in his view refuse to accept there is a reduction in letters, the problems is that this drop in letters has been surpassed by more packets through ebay/amazon/play.com/pills/free bulbs/smoke-alarms and this has meant that we are out on delivery longer than we used to be, yet RM refuse to accept this because traffic is down.
Rock and a hard place springs to mind. We may have less work in letters but the job has got harder as the call rate has increased with no change in duties or resources.
It sure has and the people who used to do the job don't see that nor the one's who never have nor the public or the politicians with their greed before need mentality.
So perhaps Tman can see why we as delivery posties don't or in his view refuse to accept there is a reduction in letters, the problems is that this drop in letters has been surpassed by more packets through ebay/amazon/play.com/pills/free bulbs/smoke-alarms and this has meant that we are out on delivery longer than we used to be, yet RM refuse to accept this because traffic is down.
I wouldn't disagree with that TBT, but my point was always about a physical reduction in processed mail. That you may now carry more because of other types of packets etc wasn't ever in dispute, and I believe I've made that distinction several times in the past.
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I wouldn't disagree with that TBT, but my point was always about a physical reduction in processed mail. That you may now carry more because of other types of packets etc wasn't ever in dispute, and I believe I've made that distinction several times in the past.
I'm not seeing a drop in volume. I'm still taking out the same ammount of trays (of mail, not packets) on my rural float.
Funny thing though. We used to peak at Christmas at around 110k. Since we stopped weighing mail and started getting our figures via email from managment, last christmas' mail peaked at .........60k.
The transarency has gone and as a result more front line staff don't believe a word that comes from higher up. Me included.
Tman wrote:
I wouldn't disagree with that TBT, but my point was always about a physical reduction in processed mail. That you may now carry more because of other types of packets etc wasn't ever in dispute, and I believe I've made that distinction several times in the past.
I'm not seeing a drop in volume. I'm still taking out the same ammount of trays (of mail, not packets) on my rural float.
Funny thing though. We used to peak at Christmas at around 110k. Since we stopped weighing mail and started getting our figures via email from managment, last christmas' mail peaked at .........60k.
The transarency has gone and as a result more front line staff don't believe a word that comes from higher up. Me included.
time for Jeremy Kyle to put all the Managers through the lie detector test I think, in fact this should be introduced
at I'Ts as well. and see who's telling thr truth or not!!
linkinpark wrote:Now thats a class idea! but why stop at managers? Brown his cabinet, hooper, leighton, crozier, the rest of the board of RM past and present, pension people and then managers last! Now that would be interesting me thinks!
I'd pay per view!
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I find it bizarre that some people have difficulty accepting mail volumes have dropped dramatically.
We aren't talking a few hundred items here guys, we are talking over a million items per week in your bigger mail centres that has gone.
DSA has demonstrated growth, but that in no way compensates for the losses in other streams.
How many Mail Centres are seeing traffic concentrated into other mail centres now ? How do you think this is managed ? It simply fills the gap left by the lost traffic.
A hefty dose of realism is needed. Head in the sand helps nobody.
As an aside, 70-80% of mail in your big MC's is now counted by the machines, not humans. Are the machines in on the great conspiracy as well ?
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I see we've another person who doesn't work in deliveries and has no idea of what is going on all I know is my mailbag is heavier than it's ever been and I'm delivering more to people and spending more time on the streets so something is wrong whenever one side says mail is down and another side says it's not.
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i'd say thats taking the proverbial by not counting in the 'final mile'... its logic innit.. even tho its sorted when it arrives, it still has to put through the system, carried and delivered.. or does it get delivered harry potter style??
i never knew that. wonder who else doesn't know that. im beginning to think that royal mail bosses are deranged.
anyone got statistics on mail volumes during previous recessions?
and here comes avi cohen! oh i say! at the same end, he's got one back!!
time for Jeremy Kyle to put all the Managers through the lie detector test I think, in fact this should be introduced
all I know is my mailbag is heavier than it's ever been and I'm delivering more to people and spending more time on the streets so something is wrong whenever one side says mail is down and another side says it's not.