Walk sequencing machines

Post by **dvbuk55** » 14 Oct 2008, 14:07

There have been too many loose ends in the agreements that have been made and if you read HQs blurb about modernisation and mechanisation it isn't exactly member oriented and speaks of job losses and extra work.

Postman asked if Reps had enough meetings at area level and I can't answer that but there are monthly liaison meetings from which there seems to be no trickle down of information and that is largely due to the fact the reps are not meeting with and communicating with the membership.

lifesentence · Post by **lifesentence** » 14 Oct 2008, 19:02

RM dream big but always come up short. It took about 30 years to get postcodes right. They go ahead as if its all right and make everything else fit after. Once offices are running at 50% + part time then you are in the trap. You will need money more than fair play and RM will come to bite you.

paul_skinback · Post by **paul_skinback** » 14 Oct 2008, 19:05

kwf166 wrote:
markis wrote:We will be getting walk sequencing machines in our office next year. We've been told that F/T jobs are safe but I don't think so CWU rep says they will be because F/T will prep P/T duties but I can't see how as the machine will run everything up and we will no longer have the RM2000 Frame fittings. do management know what the expected outcome of automation will be and are they just keeping stum about it.

Markis
I was chatting about this today, I am part time, so I suppose this will be great for me,it be nice to come in and get quickly, but what about the full timers, would there be a need for them to be in from 5/6 in the morning, when all the mail is walk sorted? I also chatted to someone in the mail centre, and she reckon, they will probably reduced the hours of full timers, I can see trouble ahead at royal mail

There may be trouble ahead
And while theres pegasus and walk sekes and doms and OT
Lets face the sits vac and have pray

Before leighton and crozier have fled
Before they ask us to pay the price, and while we still do have that job
We'll all be at the job center as a mob

Soon, well be without this job
Doing different work - and then...

There may be teardrops to shed
So while theres full time, jobenfinish, flexabilty and mates
(lets face the sits vac and close the gates)
(lets face the job adds - lets see that job site)
Lets close the exit and flee

Altagevvah nah....get off me sisterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

holbeach postie · Post by **holbeach postie** » 14 Oct 2008, 19:27

Well said Paul - I wonder how many people followed the dangle of the carrot - £400 - and thats gone already along with job and finish, I wonder how many people on here voted YES - I can assure you I didn't.

paul_skinback · Post by **paul_skinback** » 14 Oct 2008, 20:35

I am under no illusions that RM are doing this to help us out. Jobs will go. Why pay two p/timers at approx 30 grand a year the pair, when one full timer on 19 grand can do the job? I see a part time round merging with another part time round for insatnce and one of the blokes gets the boot and the other walks the streets for 6 hours a day on 5 hours pay. RM are trying to save money period. Jobs will go either by redunacy or nat wastage. The job will be so crap with no OT and loadsa "must be flexabiles" i.e free work, that people will just leave as aint worth it. I have seen it all before. the only winners are senior managers who once they have anialated RM will resign on big fat juicy pensions and golden handshakes whilst we all go to hell!

Come back and read this in 5 years time. You have been warned

Martin Walsh · Post by **Martin Walsh** » 14 Oct 2008, 22:05

Linkinpark the strength of the union has and should always remain in the branchs.

you only have to examine that the opposition to the employee agenda started with an unofficial of Branchs and divsions at the TUC when Alan Johnson and others were looking at reaching an agreement on and led to the ballot and the defeat of it.

The London weighting campaign and dispute in 2003 came from the ground roots and led to the biggest rises in london weighting ever.

The opposition to Leightons privitastion plans in 2004 was started by an uoffical meeting at Friends house supported by over 50 cwu postal branches and led to the campaign and motion 558 and to the defeat of Leightons plans.

Its alright saying the Headquaters is to blame cause that are the paid ones but what is your branch doing to put the PEC under pressure to make sure our policies are moved forward. Each Branch gets a rebate is your branch using that to campaign on pensions mail centre closures and other Royal Mail attacks or are you just waiting for cwu hqs to start things off.

In London we never wait and the time for action document which has been put on your site in the pensions part has already been sent to every unit in the London region and sent to every branch in the country so they can ammend it to suit their members.

I have no problems asking CWU HQs to kick start their campaign but why do we have to wait for them if you believe the members are up for it then walk the walk and test it within your branch.

paul_skinback · Post by **paul_skinback** » 15 Oct 2008, 05:29

linkinpark wrote:
dingo wrote:Linkinpark the strength of the union has and should always remain in the branchs.

you only have to examine that the opposition to the employee agenda started with an unofficial of Branchs and divsions at the TUC when Alan Johnson and others were looking at reaching an agreement on and led to the ballot and the defeat of it.

The London weighting campaign and dispute in 2003 came from the ground roots and led to the biggest rises in london weighting ever.

The opposition to Leightons privitastion plans in 2004 was started by an uoffical meeting at Friends house supported by over 50 cwu postal branches and led to the campaign and motion 558 and to the defeat of Leightons plans.

Its alright saying the Headquaters is to blame cause that are the paid ones but what is your branch doing to put the PEC under pressure to make sure our policies are moved forward. Each Branch gets a rebate is your branch using that to campaign on pensions mail centre closures and other Royal Mail attacks or are you just waiting for cwu hqs to start things off.

In London we never wait and the time for action document which has been put on your site in the pensions part has already been sent to every unit in the London region and sent to every branch in the country so they can ammend it to suit their members.

I have no problems asking CWU HQs to kick start their campaign but why do we have to wait for them if you believe the members are up for it then walk the walk and test it within your branch.
My branch is almost not there! we have one rep covering a dozen offices trying to deal with all the crap put on him by HQ! Work it must be said the paid ones should have done but put on our very hard pressed reps, but in their WISDOM allowed offices to pick and choose what they want. So of course the SC*B offices implemented and then RM beat our reps with saying but they do it up the road so we will here. Throw in mass sackings for sickness D2Ds B&H ect ect and what you have is a broken fragmented union that we seem to have now that our UNPAID and hard pressed reps have NO chance to fight against and all because of those lazy stupid (or worse.) lot at HQ. And as for kick starting as a normal member we pay them to safe guard our terms and conditions and they seem to LOVE giving them away!
Take pensions! HQ have known for eight months that they were lied to and taken for the fools they are, so what have they done about it? A demo at Labour conference and a letter to a quango employed by the Goverment employed by the Goverment to see the liberalisation of our postal market! (Sure thats gonna work.) Well have to say totaly impressed NOT.
As a member of the CWU alls i want is my terms and conditions to at worst be static or a slight improvement! Instead what we have is a leadership hell bent on playing up for their mates in "New Labour" at the cost of us! I also have no problems with contacting HQ but of course i am a malcontent to be ignored. And thats fine by me cause i will just keep bitching and moaning cause i aint alone. I will never be a REP nor could i be i aint smart enough for that but i am smart enough to knoiw when my own kind (LOL) are doing me and mine over, and lets face it communication is the start of any battle and a growing number of members know they have been done over and we just want a few of our more senior people to do the right thing by us. Walk the walk makes me laugh as well remember EIGHT DAYS last year we all walked the walk then and what did HQ give us? Bullsh*t from HQ, job cuts, pay cuts, Longer hours, more bags, and fewer members because they have had enough of that b*llocks so would rather put their subs into the pension than waste it on HQ so that if we were ever to strike again that would be against the law doh. Was anyone from HQ ever done for cocking that up because i am sure that would be gross misconduct! Doubt it as i also doubt that lot have taken pay cuts and are forced to work an extra five years! But there again HQ are looking after my aspirations aint they. LOL.

Simply stunning and well put. we are doomed Mr Mainwearing doomed I tell ye!

Post by **baldrick** » 15 Oct 2008, 08:21

I do agree with a lot of what you're saying linkinpark, but at the end of the day 67% of the members (who voted)
did vote for the Pay and modernisation Agreement. I know a lot of them probably didn't understand the full
implications, but surely it is up to every individual to know what they are voting for. And yes I know a lot of them
are now saying they did not recieve a copy of the Agreement, but how could they vote for something they hadn't
seen? Some of us are our own worst enemies.

And dingo, while I agree that the London Branches have led opposition to RM's attacks in the past, unfortunately
they did (or most of them) recommend acceptance of the Pay and Modernisation Agreement including the so called
Pensions consultation.

Post by **janitor** » 15 Oct 2008, 15:50

The fact is most of them didn't read past the money involved.

Martin Walsh · Post by **Martin Walsh** » 15 Oct 2008, 16:27

Baldrick its not true to say all London Branch`s recommended yes to the deal on pay and mod. Two of the 7 branch`s postal branch`s voted no.

But you have to remember a load of london offfices were out on unofficial industrial action at the time because of the what Royal mail were doing to Streatham and East London mail centre.

But the difference in london is that we didt at any time support that the final salery pension was lost and thats why its still up for grabs and everyone is hoping for the Hooper report to open the door on that issue.

Now the fact is whether you liked or not Brenden Barbers letter clearly meant pay and mod had been seperated from pensions. It is for that reason why the pension issue is still very much a live issue !!

Now turning to Pay and mod when the members spoke via the ballot box to accept the deal. Yes some may have voted to end strikes rather then for the deal but demoracy spoke.

Now in london we have used the deal to get an increase in 4 days weeks and improvement in earnings. Yes some jobs have gone and people have to work harder but equally mech has increased. I know most branch`s in london will say that they are doing very little different in the way of flexiblity then they were doing last year other then working less days and recieving the two pay rises.

Lets examine the scare tactics from last year monthly pay, end of mtsf , new attendance procdure etc the fact is we are not even close to those subjects as the joint working parties have not met that often.

Moreover phase 3 has been in effect a damp squib offices to a varying degree have been doing some of that stuff over a period of time anyway and those offices which Royal mail wanted to asorb outdoor hourage are still not doing that.

So look at the facts Royal mail once again paid money up front without achieiving what they wanted thats the real reason why the following have gone or are going Leighton , wilson, melvin , mcarthy, green, Barrie , Farren. All leading Royal Mail figures involved in the so called Royal mail bunker last year !

24601 · Post by **24601** » 15 Oct 2008, 16:44

Is it possible to get this thread back to the subject to Walk Sequencing Machines.

We seem to have drifted away from that

Ta