This.postmanpatscat2 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025, 07:19Who cares about Saturdays off lol, we knew we was sacrificeng them years ago when we signed up!!
I'd be more concerned about getting the pay we deserve, proper sick pay, fair rounds/workload.. Not an extra 8 Saturdays off a year ya simpleton.
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Think I'd rather keep our current 1 in 4 Saturday rotation and have the walk size reduced to cope with the higher call rate rather than longer days with more Saturdays offnorris9 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2025, 19:56The duty patterns available to select are:
-Two Saturdays off in any six weeks (in addition to a regular rest day during the week). Extra 8 Saturdays off per year.
-Two Saturdays off in any five weeks (in addition to a regular rest day during the week). Extra 10 Saturdays off per week.
-9-day fortnight.
-4-day week option.
-Wallington, plus an extra Saturday off.
-13 working days out of 18 (Monday to Saturday) with 1 Saturday off every 3 weeks (only available to drivers).
-17 working days every 24 (Monday to Saturday) with 2 Saturdays off every 4 weeks.
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Week 1..Monday offnorris9 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025, 06:54A breakdown of each option:
Two Saturdays off in any six weeks (in addition to a regular rest day during the week). Extra 8 Saturdays off per year.
Two Saturdays off in any five weeks (in addition to a regular rest day during the week). Extra 10 Saturdays off per year.
I am not fully understanding this. During the weeks in which you have a Saturday off you also get a weekday off? so is it a 4 day week during those weeks? or are they simply giving us extra Saturdays off instead of a weekday? Sounds like the former, so this includes 4 day weeks every 5 or 6 weeks? Ok - sounds interesting.
9-day fortnight
If you like Saturdays off then a 9 day fortnight = 1 in 4 Saturdays off + you work just 4 days every other week. A 37 hour workers day would be 8 hours 15 mins.
4-day week
Is absolutely mental. 10 hour days for 40 hour workers. 9 hour 15 minute days for 37 hour workers.
Wallington, plus an extra Saturday off
I also think Wallingtons are mental. Working 6 day weeks for 5 weeks then getting the 6th week off. Those 5 weeks must drag.
17 working days every 24 (Monday to Saturday) with 2 Saturdays off every 4 weeks
Sounds like this is something like - working Mon-Fri, then doing a 6 day week Mon-Sat, then a 6 day week Mon-Sat, then back to a Mon-Fri week....so again, more weeks that drag.
Week 2...Tuesday
Week 3...Thursday
Week 4 ...Friday and Saturday
Week 5...Saturday
7 hour 50 minutes day.
Thats the 2 in 5 option.
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Why don't you look at the attachments in the thread I linked. It gives your hours per day, days off over a full shift rotation etc. And why do you assume everyone is going to go for a 9 day fortnight?norris9 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025, 06:54A breakdown of each option:
Two Saturdays off in any six weeks (in addition to a regular rest day during the week). Extra 8 Saturdays off per year.
Two Saturdays off in any five weeks (in addition to a regular rest day during the week). Extra 10 Saturdays off per year.
I am not fully understanding this. During the weeks in which you have a Saturday off you also get a weekday off? so is it a 4 day week during those weeks? or are they simply giving us extra Saturdays off instead of a weekday? Sounds like the former, so this includes 4 day weeks every 5 or 6 weeks? Ok - sounds interesting.
9-day fortnight
If you like Saturdays off then a 9 day fortnight = 1 in 4 Saturdays off + you work just 4 days every other week. A 37 hour workers day would be 8 hours 15 mins.
4-day week
Is absolutely mental. 10 hour days for 40 hour workers. 9 hour 15 minute days for 37 hour workers.
Wallington, plus an extra Saturday off
I also think Wallingtons are mental. Working 6 day weeks for 5 weeks then getting the 6th week off. Those 5 weeks must drag.
17 working days every 24 (Monday to Saturday) with 2 Saturdays off every 4 weeks
Sounds like this is something like - working Mon-Fri, then doing a 6 day week Mon-Sat, then a 6 day week Mon-Sat, then back to a Mon-Fri week....so again, more weeks that drag.
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Don't those timings only apply to 37 hour workers and I assume are a guide and not likely to be set in stone.... I'd assume different offices will probably have different timings.yellowbelly wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025, 17:33Why don't you look at the attachments in the thread I linked. It gives your hours per day, days off over a full shift rotation etc. And why do you assume everyone is going to go for a 9 day fortnight?
and what about 40 hour workers, 35 hour workers, 30 hour workers, 28 hour workers, 23 hour workers....what are those thousands of postie's shifts going to look like?
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How many FT and PT are they on delivery?
They can’t make every PT go FT ( a lot of PT think they’re going FT) it’ll cost RM a fortune!
They can’t make every PT go FT ( a lot of PT think they’re going FT) it’ll cost RM a fortune!
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According to the CWU double prepping won't exist in the future so somebody else will have to do the prepping, the only way that can happen is make more posties full time, as we're losing 25%(?) of delivery staff the overall wage bill will reduce?
It doesn't seem as though RM/the CWU have taken into consideration 1,000's of PT staff may not want to work FT.
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The CWU has admitted that there will not be wholesale contract increases from PT to FT. They are now reporting that there could be 'contractual increases' which will be less than full time. Yet another CWU failure.
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How do they look now?norris9 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025, 20:19Don't those timings only apply to 37 hour workers and I assume are a guide and not likely to be set in stone.... I'd assume different offices will probably have different timings.yellowbelly wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025, 17:33Why don't you look at the attachments in the thread I linked. It gives your hours per day, days off over a full shift rotation etc. And why do you assume everyone is going to go for a 9 day fortnight?
and what about 40 hour workers, 35 hour workers, 30 hour workers, 28 hour workers, 23 hour workers....what are those thousands of postie's shifts going to look like?
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They look a lot later start/finish times to me for some reason. Any idea why that might be?yellowbelly wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025, 09:46How do they look now?norris9 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025, 20:19Don't those timings only apply to 37 hour workers and I assume are a guide and not likely to be set in stone.... I'd assume different offices will probably have different timings.yellowbelly wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025, 17:33Why don't you look at the attachments in the thread I linked. It gives your hours per day, days off over a full shift rotation etc. And why do you assume everyone is going to go for a 9 day fortnight?
and what about 40 hour workers, 35 hour workers, 30 hour workers, 28 hour workers, 23 hour workers....what are those thousands of postie's shifts going to look like?
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That wasn't your original question though - you were asking about the seven 'options' - I pointed you towards a thread containing source evidence.norris9 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2025, 20:19
Don't those timings only apply to 37 hour workers and I assume are a guide and not likely to be set in stone.... I'd assume different offices will probably have different timings.
and what about 40 hour workers, 35 hour workers, 30 hour workers, 28 hour workers, 23 hour workers....what are those thousands of postie's shifts going to look like?
Now you've expanded the discussion for which no-one has the answer. Tony Baulch himself has said that each and every office is different.
Unfortunately at this moment in time with only three offices conducting trials no-one will be able to answer the subsequent specific points you've raised.