24th

[Dorset Plodder]

Do you not acknowledge that the cost of living crisis now makes a backdated no strings pay rise even more unaffordable?

So what are you suggesting Andy 13 posts?
Just because a Millionaire CEO is so Bloody Minded that he refuses to come to a Negotiated Deal and just drags things out for so long that HARD WORKING Posties are forced to compromise their principles and return to work ... Then when we eventually do get a deal, WE should accept that he's strapped for case and WE should let him off backdating the paltry pay rise that we'll probably end up with?

It reminds me of those Medical Compensation Class Actions where the Medical Companies just drag out the legal proceedings knowing full well that if they ever have to settle there'll be a lot less people to pay compensation to. Did those Aids Victims, that recieved contaminated blood, accept lower compensation payments because there happened to be a High Rate of Inflation at the time? You Reap what you Sow Simon.

[Andyh335]

Do you not acknowledge that the cost of living crisis now makes a backdated no strings pay rise even more unaffordable?

So what are you suggesting Andy 13 posts?
Just because a Millionaire CEO is so Bloody Minded that he refuses to come to a Negotiated Deal and just drags things out for so long that HARD WORKING Posties are forced to compromise their principles and return to work ... Then when we eventually do get a deal, WE should accept that he's strapped for case and WE should let him off backdating the paltry pay rise that we'll probably end up with?

It reminds me of those Medical Compensation Class Actions where the Medical Companies just drag out the legal proceedings knowing full well that if they ever have to settle there'll be a lot less people to pay compensation to. Did those Aids Victims, that recieved contaminated blood, accept lower compensation payments because there happened to be a High Rate of Inflation at the time? You Reap what you Sow Simon.

Thompson is certainly at the lower end of millionaire status and will be paying plenty of tax, Some people are Born into millionaire status, whatever you think of Thompson he worked and put in the hard work to reach his position, companies like Apple which he was in for 2 years and probably forms part of your pension don’t employ just anyone.

The average pay of chief executives of FTSE 100 companies increased from £3.2m last year to £3.9m this year, according to research by PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC). Rm was once a FTSE 100 company but has lost ground in recent years to competitors, this is what people pay attention to, investors, customers etc.

A lot of CEO’s of big American companies earn many tens of millions, they certainly haven’t been trading for 400 plus years.

Returning to work makes financial sense right now for many, compare the BT deal which the Union are championing with our newly revised offer which Thompson has moved on and you can see our striking efforts have had some effect. But little when we have lost ALOT of pay already.

Were you not happy that you had a secure job during the pandemic whilst others were losing there’s? some people have been given no pay rise at all or are still earning less then they were before Covid, you are asking there situations to be disrupted by further strike action, see the threads and posts on here about the low pension forecasts and jobs after the Royal Mail and tell me how great this fantastic Union is that has us all arguing amongst ourselves .

[Halfhappy]

Do you not acknowledge that the cost of living crisis now makes a backdated no strings pay rise even more unaffordable?

So what are you suggesting Andy 13 posts?
Just because a Millionaire CEO is so Bloody Minded that he refuses to come to a Negotiated Deal and just drags things out for so long that HARD WORKING Posties are forced to compromise their principles and return to work ... Then when we eventually do get a deal, WE should accept that he's strapped for case and WE should let him off backdating the paltry pay rise that we'll probably end up with?

It reminds me of those Medical Compensation Class Actions where the Medical Companies just drag out the legal proceedings knowing full well that if they ever have to settle there'll be a lot less people to pay compensation to. Did those Aids Victims, that recieved contaminated blood, accept lower compensation payments because there happened to be a High Rate of Inflation at the time? You Reap what you Sow Simon.

Thompson is certainly at the lower end of millionaire status and will be paying plenty of tax, Some people are Born into millionaire status, whatever you think of Thompson he worked and put in the hard work to reach his position, companies like Apple which he was in for 2 years and probably forms part of your pension don’t employ just anyone.

The average pay of chief executives of FTSE 100 companies increased from £3.2m last year to £3.9m this year, according to research by PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC). Rm was once a FTSE 100 company but has lost ground in recent years to competitors, this is what people pay attention to, investors, customers etc.

A lot of CEO’s of big American companies earn many tens of millions, they certainly haven’t been trading for 400 plus years.

Returning to work makes financial sense right now for many, compare the BT deal which the Union are championing with our newly revised offer which Thompson has moved on and you can see our striking efforts have had some effect. But little when we have lost ALOT of pay already.

Were you not happy that you had a secure job during the pandemic whilst others were losing there’s? some people have been given no pay rise at all or are still earning less then they were before Covid, you are asking there situations to be disrupted by further strike action, see the threads and posts on here about the low pension forecasts and jobs after the Royal Mail and tell me how great this fantastic Union is that has us all arguing amongst ourselves .

Wow... You've completely changed my mind. I never once stopped to think about it from a hard working, low end millionaire's point of view. I never realised how selfish and ungrateful we all are. ST will definitely be reading that post, and impressed he will be. You're going places.

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andy , youve lined yourself up for a barrage here you need to get back to workplace they'll love you there

[Dorset Plodder]

Thompson is certainly at the lower end of millionaire status and will be paying plenty of tax, Some people are Born into millionaire status, whatever you think of Thompson he worked and put in the hard work to reach his position, companies like Apple which he was in for 2 years and probably forms part of your pension don’t employ just anyone.

The average pay of chief executives of FTSE 100 companies increased from £3.2m last year to £3.9m this year, according to research by PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC). Rm was once a FTSE 100 company but has lost ground in recent years to competitors, this is what people pay attention to, investors, customers etc.

A lot of CEO’s of big American companies earn many tens of millions, they certainly haven’t been trading for 400 plus years.

And this means what? Simon Thompsons a Jolly Good Fellow?

Returning to work makes financial sense right now for many, compare the BT deal which the Union are championing with our newly revised offer which Thompson has moved on and you can see our striking efforts have had some effect. But little when we have lost ALOT of pay already.

Going on Strike has NEVER been some clever Money Making Scheme. We ALWAYS lose money during IA and it often takes ages to recoup that loss with a new pay rise (if ever).We didn't cause this Strike ... ST and his cronies manufactured this current crisis so they could push through their own agenda ... essentially turning us into another Gig Economy Style Parcel Company. ST, and his Jock mate, are a pair of Bullies and I don't like Bullies. If you push me I'll push you back!

Nothing else illustrates this better than the fact that ST wants to "Re-Size" the company and "needs" to lay off 10000 RM Staff ....... WHY? When RM is currently employing 12000 Agency workers! If ST "needs" to "Re-Size" the company get rid of those Agency workers first.

Were you not happy that you had a secure job during the pandemic whilst others were losing there’s?

What are you on? It's a bit early to be drinking don't you think? I didn't join RM to work voluntarily through Covid ... I had no choice (no one asked me). I was "A KEY WORKER" You know what another word for that is ... EXPENDIBLE! My neighbour was put on Furlough on 80% of his salary and spent the year decorating his house and doing his garden. I would have liked some of that but I was too busy earning ST, and his cronies, record profits by cashing in on the Covid Bonanza! And now it's over I've got Richie Sunak telling me, and every other "KEY WORKER" that he's going to put up our taxes to pay for everyone elses holiday FFS! And ST (having given away millions to the share holders) now telling us he's skint and can't afford a decent pay deal

some people have been given no pay rise at all or are still earning less then they were before Covid, you are asking there situations to be disrupted by further strike action,

I think you'll find a lot of those people are now taking,or balloting, for Strike Action as well. So were not the only "Greeedy Trouble Making Bolsy Unionists" out there are we? And Strike action is designed to Disrupt ... otherwise we'd just be walked over. Don't you get a feeling that something's not right with the way Big Business operates in this Country?

see the threads and posts on here about the low pension forecasts and jobs after the Royal Mail and tell me how great this fantastic Union is that has us all arguing amongst our self’s .

I'm probably closer to Retirement than a lot of Posties and I have consistenly seen my pension devalued by RM over the years. Everytime a new pensions introduced we're worse off. It had nothing to do with Striking, or the CWU, it's inept management by RM Executives (who I don't see going short of Pensions, or Bonuses).

As to your opinion of the CWU. Do you think things would have turned out better without the CWU? They may not be perfect, and sometimes seem to make some bizarre decisions, but if there was no CWU where do you thing we'd be now. You're either with the Union, or you're with Simon Thompson.

[Andyh335]

Union are now championing GXO partnership, guess they will need to makeup for all the subs they are about to lose.

[Dorset Plodder]

Union are now championing GXO partnership, guess they will need to makeup for all the subs they are about to lose.

What's wrong with a Union reaching out to new companies/members? They're also trying to enagage with low paid workers at other gig style companies to improve their T & Cs and raise them up to our pay scales .... instead of resigning themselves to a Race to the Bottom.

[Andyh335]

Thompson is certainly at the lower end of millionaire status and will be paying plenty of tax, Some people are Born into millionaire status, whatever you think of Thompson he worked and put in the hard work to reach his position, companies like Apple which he was in for 2 years and probably forms part of your pension don’t employ just anyone.

The average pay of chief executives of FTSE 100 companies increased from £3.2m last year to £3.9m this year, according to research by PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC). Rm was once a FTSE 100 company but has lost ground in recent years to competitors, this is what people pay attention to, investors, customers etc.

A lot of CEO’s of big American companies earn many tens of millions, they certainly haven’t been trading for 400 plus years.

And this means what? Simon Thompsons a Jolly Good Fellow?

Returning to work makes financial sense right now for many, compare the BT deal which the Union are championing with our newly revised offer which Thompson has moved on and you can see our striking efforts have had some effect. But little when we have lost ALOT of pay already.

Going on Strike has NEVER been some clever Money Making Scheme. We ALWAYS lose money during IA and it often takes ages to recoup that loss with a new pay rise (if ever).We didn't cause this Strike ... ST and his cronies manufactured this current crisis so they could push through their own agenda ... essentially turning us into another Gig Economy Style Parcel Company. ST, and his Jock mate, are a pair of Bullies and I don't like Bullies. If you push me I'll push you back!

Nothing else illustrates this better than the fact that ST wants to "Re-Size" the company and "needs" to lay off 10000 RM Staff ....... WHY? When RM is currently employing 12000 Agency workers! If ST "needs" to "Re-Size" the company get rid of those Agency workers first.

Were you not happy that you had a secure job during the pandemic whilst others were losing there’s?

What are you on? It's a bit early to be drinking don't you think? I didn't join RM to work voluntarily through Covid ... I had no choice (no one asked me). I was "A KEY WORKER" You know what another word for that is ... EXPENDIBLE! My neighbour was put on Furlough on 80% of his salary and spent the year decorating his house and doing his garden. I would have liked some of that but I was too busy earning ST, and his cronies, record profits by cashing in on the Covid Bonanza! And now it's over I've got Richie Sunak telling me, and every other "KEY WORKER" that he's going to put up our taxes to pay for everyone elses holiday FFS! And ST (having given away millions to the share holders) now telling us he's skint and can't afford a decent pay deal

some people have been given no pay rise at all or are still earning less then they were before Covid, you are asking there situations to be disrupted by further strike action,

I think you'll find a lot of those people are now taking,or balloting, for Strike Action as well. So were not the only "Greeedy Trouble Making Bolsy Unionists" out there are we? And Strike action is designed to Disrupt ... otherwise we'd just be walked over. Don't you get a feeling that something's not right with the way Big Business operates in this Country?

see the threads and posts on here about the low pension forecasts and jobs after the Royal Mail and tell me how great this fantastic Union is that has us all arguing amongst our self’s .

I'm probably closer to Retirement than a lot of Posties and I have consistenly seen my pension devalued by RM over the years. Everytime a new pensions introduced we're worse off. It had nothing to do with Striking, or the CWU, it's inept management by RM Executives (who I don't see going short of Pensions, or Bonuses).

As to your opinion of the CWU. Do you think things would have turned out better without the CWU? They may not be perfect, and sometimes seem to make some bizarre decisions, but if there was no CWU where do you thing we'd be now. You're either with the Union, or you're with Simon Thompson.

Honestly I worked during Covid too, yeah I would have had more time at home if under furlough but would have received less money in total pay and benefits during that time due to the nature of the scheme, travel was heavily restricted as well as family get together’s etc. Rm pensions still compare favourably to a lot of schemes out there, according to sky news the average full time postie grosses around £25k.

[Schiff]

At the moment 9-10 people crossing Picket line in our office but 23 and 24 around 40-50 thinking to cross now

this is what Thompson hopes for that people will crack and eventually go back to work. IMHO I think he thought during the cost of living crisis going on the dispute would end quickly because people can't afford to strike

Do you not acknowledge that the cost of living crisis now makes a backdated no strings pay rise even more unaffordable?

The cost of living crisis certainly makes a real terms pay cut unaffordable to the employees of Royal Mail.

[Andyh335]

Union are now championing GXO partnership, guess they will need to makeup for all the subs they are about to lose.

What's wrong with a Union reaching out to new companies/members? They're also trying to enagage with low paid workers at other gig style companies to improve their T & Cs and raise them up to our pay scales .... instead of resigning themselves to a Race to the Bottom.

‘Gig economy’ is recent term that refers to mostly self employed persons, think, delivery riders, just eat delivery, Uber eats etc, they have less benefits but much more freedom to choose when they will and won’t work, the Union has pushed this term unnecessarily to generate fear within the membership, has nothing to do with rm or gxo, gxo is mostly concerned with supermarket and clothing/ distribution and warehousing.

[bakersdozen]

Is the 24th thought to be legal due to it being a continuation of action starting on the 23rd?

[Dorset Plodder]

Honestly I worked during Covid too, yeah I would have had more time at home if under furlough but would have received less money in total pay and benefits during that time due to the nature of the scheme, travel was heavily restricted as well as family get together’s etc. Rm pensions still compare favourably to a lot of schemes out there, according to sky news the average full time postie grosses around £25k.

So you're saying that you prefered to work during Covid, because your Pay was more and you could get out and about? I can understand that, it was nice to be out and about on quite streets ..... but nobody gave us a choice did they? It's always nice to be asked.

I don't really have a problem with working through Covid, and I can think of nothing worse than being stuck in a block of flats with no gardern and no green spaces to excercise in. My problem is one minute being a "Key Worker", delivering Covid Test Kits like Householdss, working my tits off delivering all manner of Non-Essential Tat, making a Bloody Fortune for RM .... and then being treated like this.

RM Pensions have got progressively worse over the years .... ask Robert T for the figures. I agree that a Posties Average wage is approx £25k but what's that mean? Last year the ONS said the average UK Full Time Wage was £38K ... doesn't make us look that well paid does it?

[Dexydog]

DP all you have stated above are excellent and well thought out points.
When spelt out like that, it makes my p**s boil how we are being treated now.
Very well said.

[redlen]

The reasons pension have got worse is the amount people now pay into them with salary deductions..
The payments you are making now pay the pensions of those already retired and are becoming unafordable.

This can be linked to previous negotiated agreements with making the industry a part time work force.

[Chitchat]

Do you not acknowledge that the cost of living crisis now makes a backdated no strings pay rise even more unaffordable?

So what are you suggesting Andy 13 posts?
Just because a Millionaire CEO is so Bloody Minded that he refuses to come to a Negotiated Deal and just drags things out for so long that HARD WORKING Posties are forced to compromise their principles and return to work ... Then when we eventually do get a deal, WE should accept that he's strapped for case and WE should let him off backdating the paltry pay rise that we'll probably end up with?

It reminds me of those Medical Compensation Class Actions where the Medical Companies just drag out the legal proceedings knowing full well that if they ever have to settle there'll be a lot less people to pay compensation to. Did those Aids Victims, that recieved contaminated blood, accept lower compensation payments because there happened to be a High Rate of Inflation at the time? You Reap what you Sow Simon.

Thompson is certainly at the lower end of millionaire status and will be paying plenty of tax, Some people are Born into millionaire status, whatever you think of Thompson he worked and put in the hard work to reach his position, companies like Apple which he was in for 2 years and probably forms part of your pension don’t employ just anyone.

The average pay of chief executives of FTSE 100 companies increased from £3.2m last year to £3.9m this year, according to research by PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC). Rm was once a FTSE 100 company but has lost ground in recent years to competitors, this is what people pay attention to, investors, customers etc.

A lot of CEO’s of big American companies earn many tens of millions, they certainly haven’t been trading for 400 plus years.

Returning to work makes financial sense right now for many, compare the BT deal which the Union are championing with our newly revised offer which Thompson has moved on and you can see our striking efforts have had some effect. But little when we have lost ALOT of pay already.

Were you not happy that you had a secure job during the pandemic whilst others were losing there’s? some people have been given no pay rise at all or are still earning less then they were before Covid, you are asking there situations to be disrupted by further strike action, see the threads and posts on here about the low pension forecasts and jobs after the Royal Mail and tell me how great this fantastic Union is that has us all arguing amongst ourselves .

Andyh335 could be Simon Thompson????