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Can they stop pay if off sick?
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norbet colon
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RM beg more questions than they answer as usual !
Quote -"Rights under the Act are enforceable through the normal courts , not through employment tribunals "-------------------what I was driving at, was if RM were demanding
Medical Records as they do and i] threatening to stop pay ii} threatening people with Conduct Code for Unauthorised Absence and someone later was dismissed under Attendance
Procedure ,then the RM appeal failed so then someone took RM to a Employment Tribunal and mentioned these demands ,adverse inferences could be drawn against Royal Fail ,
especially if somebody had shown paperwork to RM Management to prove they were in the care of a Consultant which undoubtably proves absences are genuine and staff are
definately not swinging the lead iii] whether these demands could be deemed to be Harassment under the Prevention of Harassment Act 97 -not like RM to be contradictory ?! and sending mixed messages with dodgy hidden agendas . Adverse Inferences again could be drawn in a ET .
The problems are the age old, i] RM being autocratic ,being above the law and doing what it likes , ii] RM Senior Managers acting & sounding like Lawyers /Solicitors , they're on shaky ground if they start playing that game as they could be bitten on the a*** with it .
Not like RM to do things with a tenious legal basis , what may be acceptable on Planet Royal Fail isn't necessarily acceptable in the real world .
I'd just put everything down to pressure on lower line Management from Senior & Area and a*** covering & the culture of fear with a very regimented Command & Control Style . There's orders to get the figures down and it'll be done by fair or usually foul means .
Quote "RM managers view themselves as better qualified and more knowledgeable than trained GP's " -------------I'd put that down to malign staff as malingerers and lead-swingers purely to impress Area /Senior Mgt . ATOS do that as well . all they've got to do is tell RM what they want to hear , otherwise they'd lose the contract .
What makes me laugh is that RM are very careful like any bullies, who they pick a fight with , it's amazing how "accommodating " they are if there's political correctness / equality issues as RM were threatened with monitoring by the CRE & EOC .
I've had some blazing rows on this subject when Hell-fail had a forum , the "standard stock answers " wern't convincing which naturally makes people more suspicious .
Medical Records as they do and i] threatening to stop pay ii} threatening people with Conduct Code for Unauthorised Absence and someone later was dismissed under Attendance
Procedure ,then the RM appeal failed so then someone took RM to a Employment Tribunal and mentioned these demands ,adverse inferences could be drawn against Royal Fail ,
especially if somebody had shown paperwork to RM Management to prove they were in the care of a Consultant which undoubtably proves absences are genuine and staff are
definately not swinging the lead iii] whether these demands could be deemed to be Harassment under the Prevention of Harassment Act 97 -not like RM to be contradictory ?! and sending mixed messages with dodgy hidden agendas . Adverse Inferences again could be drawn in a ET .
The problems are the age old, i] RM being autocratic ,being above the law and doing what it likes , ii] RM Senior Managers acting & sounding like Lawyers /Solicitors , they're on shaky ground if they start playing that game as they could be bitten on the a*** with it .
Not like RM to do things with a tenious legal basis , what may be acceptable on Planet Royal Fail isn't necessarily acceptable in the real world .
I'd just put everything down to pressure on lower line Management from Senior & Area and a*** covering & the culture of fear with a very regimented Command & Control Style . There's orders to get the figures down and it'll be done by fair or usually foul means .
Quote "RM managers view themselves as better qualified and more knowledgeable than trained GP's " -------------I'd put that down to malign staff as malingerers and lead-swingers purely to impress Area /Senior Mgt . ATOS do that as well . all they've got to do is tell RM what they want to hear , otherwise they'd lose the contract .
What makes me laugh is that RM are very careful like any bullies, who they pick a fight with , it's amazing how "accommodating " they are if there's political correctness / equality issues as RM were threatened with monitoring by the CRE & EOC .
I've had some blazing rows on this subject when Hell-fail had a forum , the "standard stock answers " wern't convincing which naturally makes people more suspicious .
politics -showbiz for the ugly , powermad & inadequate