meeting with Union today with delivery staff

[ThatsNotPlumb]

1/ 3 delivery offices in our area amalgamating into 1
2/6 hour deliveries
3/ 20% Fulltime and 80% Part time
4/one person vans , no P/L van pairings
5/ motorised HCT's
6/ no Tuesday delivery
7/ 10am start time and 6 pm finish
All to be implemented in the next 12 months ,

1 yes could see this happening up and down country but only if office agree to it would it happen within 12 months
2 only if your office agree to it
3 only if your office agree to it
4 only if your office agree to it
5 only if your office agree to it
6 bollocks not happening at all,
7 only if your office agree to it

it's a common tactic forecast doom and gloom, lots of bad things to happen, buried in there is the real intention, my bet 6hr delivery span, so when you are all worried about everything else it doesn't seem so bad when 6 out of those 7 things don't happen just the one that they wanted in first place, usually the manager doing it not the area rep but I think you have same ara rep as Han solo who was also spouting the same rubbish so ignore it and fight any changes with the ir process

If your office agrees to it?

If the RM wants to do something, they don't actually need any sort of agreement with anyone, that's why the place is the way it is. The Union conveys the concerns of the workforce, they don't actually have any power to stop anything if the RM wants to push an idea through it will eventually go though in some form.

[Pompey Boy]

Apart from No 1 which is a local issue Dingo has thrown scorn on most of those.

Chinese whispers, inconsistent briefings, information vacuum and no national communication, (except to reps) all seem to increase the nervousness of members. Perhaps we need an urgent communication release to the most important people, the membership, after all, we are going to be the most affected.

Nothing compared with what is going on in Pompey. CWU have signed something to say that our reps can't tell us anything or they may be sacked. As you say we should be the most important people, but clearly we are not.

[geordieboy123]

Only 1 delivery of mail instead of 2 and 95% of mail will be walksorted including flats and D2D's , they are trialing the machines in Walsall and Exeter I think they said with 6 hour deliveries

You've still not informed us who was there for the union, local rep, area rep or divisional rep? Why aren't you telling us?

[DirtyHarry]

Surely to God the union won't allow these psychopaths to enforce 6 hour deliveries? How in God's name can 6 hours out in all weathers come anywhere near being compatible with health & safety requirements????

[korky]

Doesn't add up. 6 hr delivery spans plus travel time plus breaks = full time. So how can 80% of staff become part time?

That is something I was trying to work out the other day. As it stands a FT duty split over 5 days (discounting long & shorts) is 7 hours 48 minutes.

Take 40 minutes off that for meal relief and another 10 minutes for daily vehicle checks. That leaves 6 hours 58 minutes. Take conveyance time to and from, and the ancillary tasks associated with a delivery, such as signing for specials, signing out van keys, loading van and then "pouching off" time at end of delivery then you are pretty close to, if not under 6 hours of shift remaining. That means absolutely no indoor work whatsoever.

And that is even assuming deliveries were accurately measured as 6 hours. As it stands just now the deliveries in my office are timed at 4:15, however on a busy day can easily take upwards of 5 hours. So that is say ~20% longer on delivery if busy. On a 6 hour delivery with the same 20% overrun extrapolated would put you well over 7 hours.

don't forget to knock a further 20 minutes or so for convenience back to the office and back out again for your meal relief half way through the walk.
And what's to say the future agreement doesn't include a paid break? although the 20 minutes extra travel would be in their time.
next to go on the list will be sick pay.

[halfull]

nomore shared vans? so what going to happen to the non drivers?
Plus bring on these office mergers!! More travelling time to our rounds means less delivering!

[eastie]

Only 1 delivery of mail instead of 2 and 95% of mail will be walksorted including flats and D2D's , they are trialing the machines in Walsall and Exeter I think they said with 6 hour deliveries

You've still not informed us who was there for the union, local rep, area rep or divisional rep? Why aren't you telling us?

I think he Is the local rep

[Chelseablue]

We can take action reg all of this, do the job right , no working of day offs , This changes will effect each and everyone of us , let's all stick together .

[rob smith]

Were all doomed.

[hans solo]

paid meal breaks to go as well

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

Only 1 delivery of mail instead of 2 and 95% of mail will be walksorted including flats and D2D's , they are trialing the machines in Walsall and Exeter I think they said with 6 hour deliveries

You've still not informed us who was there for the union, local rep, area rep or divisional rep? Why aren't you telling us?

I think he Is the local rep

think he is the local rep? surely you should know or not if the guy works in your office?

[franco1]

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

paid meal breaks to go as well

more rubbish, next time your area rep comes out with this sort of thing and he seems to be doing it a lot later, ask for something in writing about it

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

zx135, when were later start times agreed?... why did we not get a vote. it will drastically affect a lot of people with kids and other afternoon commitments.

we agreed to varying start times as part of the BT2010 agreement, and that agreement was voted in by the membership, we did get a vote on it.

As part of the operational transformation the vast majority of full time delivery duties will start no later than 0700. The majority of delivery routes will be designed to start and finish at the workplace; however there will be some duties where it is more beneficial for both parties to agree alternative arrangements.

it was all to do with the mail arrival times depending on when your office mail was put through the sequencing machines which would affect mail arrival times and thus start times, now the agreement did state the "Vast Majority" but just as the FT to PT ratio it was not all duties/offices will have this just the vast majority over the entire country, so a local office can try and change the start times to later than 0700, but it can be fought through the IR process

[pinstripe]

Can you imagine the cost of merging three delivery offices into one, on a nationwide scale. The cost would be far to high.

They would have to buy the land and then build the offices. If I recall correctly, we have well over a thousand delivery offices. The cost in a city centre could never justify it.

One man, one van? Never work, RM would either have to pay for non-drivers to sit their driving test, or pay off non-drivers.

Honestly, these are the type of rumours that the CWU should be addressing publicly to their members.

The rumours are out, and people are worrying, but the silence is deafening.