LTB 815/13 National Agreement Reached

[newtimes]

Quick question which may seem daft

If it gets voted against will they want the extra £200 back

Also for ft staff roughly how much is the back pay worth.

no

[citypostie]

After a quick read....its the no strike deal the union would never agree to isn't it? Some of the stuff in there sounds like we will be on annualised hours or banking of hours will be official soon enough. They can give me 200 quid bribe but I'm voting no to that crock

[FinishOnTime]

Superficially, and without having read any references to B and H, it sounds pretty good. The only worry for me is the scope of the "exceptional circumstances" that could give RM cause to wriggle out the binding agreement. Sounds a bit vague, are they the same exceptional circumstances in a previous agreement that managers use to get people to work for free?

Ha, I see they've got rid of the exceptional circumstances bit from the flexing, and also that it can be balanced out within "5 working days" rather than in the same week.

[Godric]

another productivity scheme and no mentions on the delivery/workloads side ... they can gtf

[newtimes]

Superficially, and without having read any references to B and H, it sounds pretty good. The only worry for me is the scope of the "exceptional circumstances" that could give RM cause to wriggle out the binding agreement. Sounds a bit vague, are they the same exceptional circumstances in a previous agreement that managers use to get people to work for free?

Ha, I see they've got rid of the exceptional circumstances bit from the flexing, and also that it can be balanced out within "5 working days" rather than in the same week.

Point of Clarification on 30 mins Flexibility

Both parties re-affirm their commitment to the 30 minute flexibility arrangements within the Pay and Modernisation agreement. The following provides clarification of the agreed approach.

Where necessary, for example when traffic volumes are unexpectedly high or resourcing issues arise, individuals may be asked and may themselves request to vary their duty times by up to 30 minutes on a swings and roundabouts basis. Individual circumstances will be taken into account and total weekly contractual hours will not change. This means that individuals may flex their duty times by up to 30 minutes on any given day and this will be balanced either way over the next 5 working days. However this period can be extended by local agreement. A local record will be kept. Any requirement to change times of attendance or flex will take into account individual’s personal obligations and responsibilities.

[whisperstar24]

here we go
The get out clause!!
Royal mail get out of legal protections for your terms and conditions if the cwu go for a national strike!!! (CLAUSE E)

7 Exceptional Circumstances

7.1 The Employer shall be entitled to notify the CWU at any time that any of the Protections will no longer continue, if any of the following exceptional circumstances apply:

a) if Royal Mail ceases to be the designated Universal Service provider;

b) in circumstances where, the Employer believes on reasonable grounds that continuing the Protection concerned would, or would be likely to, place the company in breach of, or result in the Employer being unable to comply with, any legal or regulatory requirement;

c) in the event that the Employer believes on reasonable grounds that any part of the business to which a Protection applies has ceased to be, or is likely to cease being, financially sustainable;

d) in the event that the Employer believes on reasonable grounds that a significant event or series of events has occurred, or is likely to occur that has a material adverse effect, or is reasonably likely to have a materially adverse effect on: (i) the Employer’s business or prospects or (ii) the legal or regulatory basis on which the Employer operates (including but not limited to the Employer's position as the sole Universal Service Provider); or

e) if there is national-scale industrial action (in the form of a strike or action short of a strike) which has been authorised at national level by the CWU, namely industrial action which either (i) involves employees in the majority of operational workplaces across Royal Mail Group Limited; or (ii) involves employees in an integral part of the operation whereby taking action will have, or is reasonably likely to have, a similarly disruptive effect.

[wabbithunta]

Can't get the full agreement to open...
Teebs....help!

I keep running into an OLE error

(Bleeding Spanish practices again)

Best get Crozier back then.. he was always whining about Spanish practices..!
As for the OLE error... Get Manuel from Fawlty Towers to help out?

Joking aside.. if it's an Excel problem then check on the M/soft Support website for any possible fixes.

[crezz]

I expect the tax man will enjoy our pay packet, no doubt it will all be paid at the same time!

[Sergeant Blast]

So it's a legally binding contract that in reality isn't due to the loopholes. So when it suits RM they play an 'exceptional circumstances' card and we are all screwed.

[wabbithunta]

Superficially, and without having read any references to B and H, it sounds pretty good. The only worry for me is the scope of the "exceptional circumstances" that could give RM cause to wriggle out the binding agreement. Sounds a bit vague, are they the same exceptional circumstances in a previous agreement that managers use to get people to work for free?

Ha, I see they've got rid of the exceptional circumstances bit from the flexing, and also that it can be balanced out within "5 working days" rather than in the same week.

Point of Clarification on 30 mins Flexibility

Both parties re-affirm their commitment to the 30 minute flexibility arrangements within the Pay and Modernisation agreement. The following provides clarification of the agreed approach.

Where necessary, for example when traffic volumes are unexpectedly high or resourcing issues arise, individuals may be asked and may themselves request to vary their duty times by up to 30 minutes on a swings and roundabouts basis. Individual circumstances will be taken into account and total weekly contractual hours will not change. This means that individuals may flex their duty times by up to 30 minutes on any given day and this will be balanced either way over the next 5 working days. However this period can be extended by local agreement. A local record will be kept. Any requirement to change times of attendance or flex will take into account individual’s personal obligations and responsibilities.

So does this mean then that if you are given an "impossible" delivery time on a given day - for the sake of argument take today, Monday, our P&L delivery was due out the office at 09:00 with a finish time of 13:35, never ever achievable anyway but I digress, if we go over apart from bringing it back we can flex our time by adding 30 mins on and then finish 30 mins earlier another day? Or just cut off and bring it back, which we do, even when they know we can't complete but expect us to anyway.

[Jimmcguinn]

here we go
The get out clause!!
Royal mail get out of legal protections for your terms and conditions if the cwu go for a national strike!!! (CLAUSE E)

7 Exceptional Circumstances

7.1 The Employer shall be entitled to notify the CWU at any time that any of the Protections will no longer continue, if any of the following exceptional circumstances apply:


e) if there is national-scale industrial action (in the form of a strike or action short of a strike) which has been authorised at national level by the CWU, namely industrial action which either (i) involves employees in the majority of operational workplaces across Royal Mail Group Limited; or (ii) involves employees in an integral part of the operation whereby taking action will have, or is reasonably likely to have, a similarly disruptive effect.

Fook me .Am I reading what I think I'm reading?!!!

[dvbuk55]

So it's a legally binding contract that in reality isn't due to the loopholes. So when it suits RM they play an 'exceptional circumstances' card and we are all screwed.

Well at least we've seen it this time before we agree.

I just hope to Christ everyone has their sensible head on when voting and not the kerching head.

[Budfrog]

here we go
The get out clause!!
Royal mail get out of legal protections for your terms and conditions if the cwu go for a national strike!!! (CLAUSE E)

7 Exceptional Circumstances

7.1 The Employer shall be entitled to notify the CWU at any time that any of the Protections will no longer continue, if any of the following exceptional circumstances apply:


e) if there is national-scale industrial action (in the form of a strike or action short of a strike) which has been authorised at national level by the CWU, namely industrial action which either (i) involves employees in the majority of operational workplaces across Royal Mail Group Limited; or (ii) involves employees in an integral part of the operation whereby taking action will have, or is reasonably likely to have, a similarly disruptive effect.

Fook me .Am I reading what I think I'm reading?!!!

You don't need to rub your eyes twice to see that it is a no strike agreement - or as close to one as you will get. On a more positive note if the agreement is implemented (and understood) by RM management and not watered down at local level it does provide some security for 5 years ... but it will be at a cost.

[Danelectro]

By and large it looks pretty good (although I've only skimmed through it because I've just got back off delivery and need at least 2 cups of tea before I do anything). Slightly worried by the section that states that any national industrial action will lead to the removal of the legal protections though.

Well ive only skimmed through the first few sections and alarm bells are ringing left right n centre.I agree though you should be worried by the 'Exceptional Circumstances' section as not only does a national strike cancel all bets but there are also plenty of escape routes listed for Royal Mail and I know who my money would be on if the CWU took Royal mail to court over planning to outsource because the decline in letters and costs of providing the USO are not sustainable etc etc

[dvbuk55]

here we go
The get out clause!!
Royal mail get out of legal protections for your terms and conditions if the cwu go for a national strike!!! (CLAUSE E)

7 Exceptional Circumstances

7.1 The Employer shall be entitled to notify the CWU at any time that any of the Protections will no longer continue, if any of the following exceptional circumstances apply:


e) if there is national-scale industrial action (in the form of a strike or action short of a strike) which has been authorised at national level by the CWU, namely industrial action which either (i) involves employees in the majority of operational workplaces across Royal Mail Group Limited; or (ii) involves employees in an integral part of the operation whereby taking action will have, or is reasonably likely to have, a similarly disruptive effect.

Fook me .Am I reading what I think I'm reading?!!!

And no doubt the reason for dingo suggesting units should "go it alone" and not involve the big guns or more likely expect any support because it would jeopardise the nice little cosy cosy.

Many of us were against BT2010 and have been proven to be right and this looks no better.

The pair of them both RM and the CWU believe you just have to waft the readies and down come the pants - well I sincerely hope they are wrong.