all strike breakers should not be allowed a vote.

[Acca Dacca]

It would be impossible for them to enforce the mythical 300 quid anyway - what about those whos day off fell on the mon or were given it as their day off as a reserve? Some could argue that they have lost out on money as they would have worked and shouldn't lose out. Or do all workers who simply don't strike whether they be off, sick, on AL or work it, get this make believe bonus? Clearly they haven't thought it through. It's full of holes.

[cloherty1976]

It would be impossible for them to enforce the mythical 300 quid anyway - what about those whos day off fell on the mon or were given it as their day off as a reserve? Some could argue that they have lost out on money as they would have worked and shouldn't lose out. Or do all workers who simply don't strike whether they be off, sick, on AL or work it, get this make believe bonus? Clearly they haven't thought it through. It's full of holes.

If is quite simple to enforce. If it's your day off then your not on strike, if your sick your not on strike, maternity , paternity,or on holiday your not on strike. If you are due to work and you don't communicate with your boss you would be put down as striking I would presume.

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

It would be impossible for them to enforce the mythical 300 quid anyway - what about those whos day off fell on the mon or were given it as their day off as a reserve? Some could argue that they have lost out on money as they would have worked and shouldn't lose out. Or do all workers who simply don't strike whether they be off, sick, on AL or work it, get this make believe bonus? Clearly they haven't thought it through. It's full of holes.

If is quite simple to enforce. If it's your day off then your not on strike, if your sick your not on strike, maternity , paternity,or on holiday your not on strike. If you are due to work and you don't communicate with your boss you would be put down as striking I would presume.

Again there is no £300 to enforce

[Acca Dacca]

It would be impossible for them to enforce the mythical 300 quid anyway - what about those whos day off fell on the mon or were given it as their day off as a reserve? Some could argue that they have lost out on money as they would have worked and shouldn't lose out. Or do all workers who simply don't strike whether they be off, sick, on AL or work it, get this make believe bonus? Clearly they haven't thought it through. It's full of holes.

If is quite simple to enforce. If it's your day off then your not on strike, if your sick your not on strike, maternity , paternity,or on holiday your not on strike. If you are due to work and you don't communicate with your boss you would be put down as striking I would presume.

So potentially the most militant pro union guy in the office gets paid 300 ( which I know isn't on table anyway ) because it's his day off? That's just stupid. The reserves given Monday as their day off get basically given free money by the managers? It would be chaos.

[BingBong]

When you take part in any vote you do so expecting to accept the majority decision. If the vote would of returned a no then I would be expected to respect that view. If I refused to accept that view and went on strike then I would be breaking the law by taking unlawful industrial action. The same respect should be given by the no voters. Anyone who strike breakers and takes the 300 pound blood money should have their right to vote removed, if you are not going to accept the result then why should you be allowed to have your say.

there is no 300 quid and if you think there is well good luck to you and good luck chasing after it. not. (in reference to strike breakers not you personally).

[Ahebban]

The choice of a strike on a Monday seems poor for our area as all the part time workers dont work anyway as they have mon/tues off every week, spit really doesn't effect them. We were also told that the strike would be at Xmas which would effect the buisness at its busiest time, November is hardly Xmas!

The one-day strike called on 4th November is the first shot across the bows if you like. The CWU has been generous in giving further breathing space for Royal Mail to enter serious negotiations on a long-term agreement. The proposed second ballot will further pressurise Royal Mail to get serious and get to the table and start talking.

The combined ballots would give CWU greater flexibility over the type of industrial action that can be organised enabling the maximising of disruption whilst minimising the effect for members.

It won't be until the last couple of weeks of November and beyond, where most disruption will be seen in delaying mail/packets etc either through one-day rolling strikes (as in 2009), escalation of strike action and/or some form of 'work-to-rule' as a result of a second ballot.

In rejecting Royal Mail's last offer the CWU have made it clear where a successful conclusion to negotiations lies. Billy, Dave and the PEC have put their heads on the block, and I don't see the membership being particularly forgiving if the resultant agreement falls well short of the aims and apirations expressed in the consultative ballot.

You join a trade union for one simple reason .. collectively, you have unity and strength in numbers whilst maintaining your individuality.

[crezz]

my understanding is that the second ballot is for boycotting mail,?

[UnhappyGremlin]

my understanding is that the second ballot is for boycotting mail,?

That's what Dave Ward said yesterday.
Don't know if it will definitely happen though.

[POSTMAN]

Unfortunately its illegal to expel strike breakers from the Union.

Unjustifiable discipline

There are certain actions that your trade union must not discipline you for. If it does, the discipline will automatically be unjustifiable and you will be able to make a complaint to an industrial tribunal. The actions are outlined below.
Strikes and other industrial action

A trade union must not discipline you for:

going to work despite a call to take strike or other industrial action
crossing a picket line during a strike
failing to take part in or support a strike or other industrial action
showing opposition to, or lack of support for a strike or other industrial action (for example, voting against industrial action)
refusing to contribute funds to support a strike or workers taking strike action
refusing to break an obligation imposed by your contract of employment or other agreement with your employer for any purpose connected with a strike or other industrial action
encouraging or assisting someone else to honour their employment contract or other agreement with their employer

http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/discipline-b ... rade-union" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In 2009,rule 14 was banded about by our area,nothing happened of course.

2. A member shall be liable to disciplinary action in respect of the following:

b) Behaving in a manner contrary to the interests of the Union;
c) Failing to carry out lawful and reasonable instructions of a Branch, the NEC,
Annual or Special Conference;

http://www.cwu.org/assets/_files/docume ... e_Book.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Ahebban]

my understanding is that the second ballot is for boycotting mail,?

Yes, it is. The first ballot focused on strike action, whereas the second ballot will enable a boycott of DSA including options for IA upto, but not including, strike action.

Copied from LTB 692/13 Industrial Action Ballot and Privatisation - Next Steps ...

We have also announced that if an agreement cannot be concluded, we will soon commence a second ballot for action short of a strike enabling a boycott of the competitors’ mail. The timetable for this second ballot will be finalised on the 28th October, when notice is due to be served for the 24 hour dispute. If this takes place, the second ballot will also be used to open up options for other tactics such as work to rules, overtime bans and non co-operation with unrealistic efficiency demands

[UnhappyGremlin]

Will the boycotted mail be stopped at the mail centres then, or will we take it out individually at our frames? As either way doesnt really stop anything apart from a few letters a day getting posted. Maybe its just me, but our office (small north west) doesnt get much mail from competitors - we get a little but not much. Im assuming its the cherry picked areas down south who this is aimed at ? It doesnt seem like a good idea to me. Work to rule across the country would work much better imvho, make them pay for the 125`000+ hours of unpaid work.

IMVHO, normal strike, 50 out of 58 at my office will work thru the strike, if you work to rule 50 of the 58 WILL work to rule. Its not about the want to not strike and look after themselves, its all about the pay packet - give them the option to make a stand and not lose pay, and your laughing regarding a substantial increase in support.

In theory, the mail should fail to reach DO's. It should be halted at MC's when those staff refuse to handle it.
But, it wouldn't surprise me if RM had managers handle it and try to pressure (BULLY) staff in DO's to deliver it.

[barrowc]

The issue with this is always going to be that at the Mail Centres either the gatekeepers or the people who accept the DSA work from the DSA vehicles are going to end up being the first people to refuse to deal with this mail. If they get suspended, where do things go from there? The CWU need to explain what protections their proposed ballot would give to the staff who have to take the action