read this if you come in early unpaid on P/L

[DaveF14]

I really do not understand why people come in early FOR FREE!!!! I sometimes come in earlier than my official starting time but I always, ALWAYS, claim the hours when I do. My official hours on one day might be from 08:30 - 14:30 but because the duty takes longer than what they allow I'll come in at 07:30 and finish around 14:30 rather than to the 15:30 it would take me to if I came in at the scheduled time. I always claim the hours - like EVERYONE in our office who comes in early.

Anyone who comes in early - or, indeed, does anything for RM - for free is a clown.

You've just said you come in early yourself, so you are calling yourself a clown. Hilarious.

[bigcol]

You've just said you come in early yourself, so you are calling yourself a clown. Hilarious.

[fishtank]

I think most of us who can read understood the point he was making.

I really do not understand why people come in early FOR FREE!!!!

[BELIAL]

I always, ALWAYS, claim the hours when I do. My official hours on one day might be from 08:30 - 14:30 but because the duty takes longer than what they allow I'll come in at 07:30 and finish around 14:30 rather than to the 15:30 it would take me to if I came in at the scheduled time.
Anyone who comes in early - or, indeed, does anything for RM - for free is a clown.

Yep we understood, but we still think he's a clown

[MentalVortex]

Belial, looking at the bits you highlighted there I thought it was bad description on my part. I was going to clarify but realised upon re-reading that what I've written is correct. Maybe you could explain why the bits you've highlighted point to 'clown'. To make it a bit clearer for you:

The official duty time is 08:30 - 14:30.
In order to complete it takes around an extra hour, so that's on average 08:30 - 15:30 where, on the days I do come in at the official time, I claim about an hour a day.
It doesn't suit me at all to be out until around 15:30 so I therefore work on average from 07:30 - 14:30, where I claim about an hour a day.

At least fishtank gets it.

[fishtank]

At least fishtank gets it.

If coming in an hour early is sanctioned by your manager,paid without question and the reason it's needed is flagged up by your rep at the weekly resource meeting i get it.
If not...i don't get it.

[BELIAL]

Belial, looking at the bits you highlighted there I thought it was bad description on my part. I was going to clarify but realised upon re-reading that what I've written is correct. Maybe you could explain why the bits you've highlighted point to 'clown'. To make it a bit clearer for you:

The official duty time is 08:30 - 14:30.
In order to complete it takes around an extra hour, so that's on average 08:30 - 15:30 where, on the days I do come in at the official time, I claim about an hour a day.
It doesn't suit me at all to be out until around 15:30 so I therefore work on average from 07:30 - 14:30, where I claim about an hour a day.

At least fishtank gets it.

Cheap labour . You work an hour extra you get paid an hour extra ,no time and a half ,just time ;no extra pension ;no extra holidays; no extra breaks . From RM's point of view you are cheap labour ,it might seem small beer but multiply it by 100,000 over a year. That's a lot of jobs/savings . Don't forget these are the people who have worked out the profit involved from saving 20 seconds a day from fewer cleardowns
Tis a bean counters world ,why let them have it all their own way?

[MentalVortex]

Belial, I see your point now, very clearly in fact. From my own perspective it still suits to do the early. Also our office has casuals who they make take out cut-offs, so the hour or so that I would leave would be delivered by them for something like half (mayeb a little less than half?) of my rate. Those poor bastards are slaved & underpaid. It also saves me the hassle of having to go through a whole rigmarole with the line manager and then - inevitably - the dom (who try to make you feel like crap for leaving stuff). All it does is put me in foul mood for having to deal with their attitude over something like that. I suppose we could go down the harrassment route regarding that but from listening to people in the past there doesn't seem to be much point as nothing ever gets done.

fishtank, on your points:
Yes the earlies are sanctioned by management and always paid without question. By flagged up by the rep at weekly resource meetings do you mean the union rep at wtll? I've never heard of a weekly resource meeting to be honest. People here are constantly complaining about duties being too long at wtll, though. It goes in one ear and out the other

[AJ1987]

Belial, I see your point now, very clearly in fact. From my own perspective it still suits to do the early. Also our office has casuals who they make take out cut-offs, so the hour or so that I would leave would be delivered by them for something like half (mayeb a little less than half?) of my rate. Those poor bastards are slaved & underpaid. It also saves me the hassle of having to go through a whole rigmarole with the line manager and then - inevitably - the dom (who try to make you feel like crap for leaving stuff). All it does is put me in foul mood for having to deal with their attitude over something like that. I suppose we could go down the harrassment route regarding that but from listening to people in the past there doesn't seem to be much point as nothing ever gets done.

fishtank, on your points:
Yes the earlies are sanctioned by management and always paid without question. By flagged up by the rep at weekly resource meetings do you mean the union rep at wtll? I've never heard of a weekly resource meeting to be honest. People here are constantly complaining about duties being too long at wtll, though. It goes in one ear and out the other

It might be unpopular for me to agree but i get what your saying. I havn't started yet but if i find myself having to work an hour over everyday and I had the option, and of course as long as I was paid!, I'd rather come in an hour earlier too. It'd suit my lifestyle, I've gota a young daughter and starting earlier and finishing on time or earlier with full hours paid would mean i'd get to spend more time with her when she was actually awake or even when she's older be able to collect her off the school bus. Just makes sense. Also if the possiblity of getting an extra hour in my pay, everyday for the full 6days im working would be an extra what? £50 in my pay? and being a part-timer with no job security on only a 24hour contract for 4months I'd personally be trying to get every extra penny I could to keep a roof over my head and put bread on the table.

All this is working on the assumption I'd get paid for the extra hour, I'd definately not do it for free!

[BELIAL]

Fine chaps, welcome to the slippery slope .
Its all downhill and it will get steeper . Just as long as you know where you are going

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Fine chaps, welcome to the slippery slope .
Its all downhill and it will get steeper . Just as long as you know where you are going

Yep and fairly soon now they'll be a few Managerial Grades trying to bump people off on their way down.

[Royal_Fail]

I did this for a few years 1-2 hours overtime prepping my walk every morning turn it down and you come into missorts and a half prepped frame.

Of course this was pre revision all the overtime is cut offs now.

[MentalVortex]

Oh man, I hate it when someone preps my frame. As you say, RF, that inevitably results in boxes not cleared, packet bags just ditched under the frame, d2d not prepped, redirectrions not done, mail to be endorsed just left on the frame etc, while the f****r is tying his own delivery down. That usually means last out of the office and then having to deal with numerous missorts on the street. Nightmare.

[eastie]

Plus RM are saving loads by getting P/T, ie. 32 hour staff staff doing 40 hours by coming in early every day but saving on holiday pay pension payments etc.
Its getting F/T staff on the cheap

[fishtank]

Plus RM are saving loads by getting P/T, ie. 32 hour staff staff doing 40 hours by coming in early every day but saving on holiday pay pension payments etc.
Its getting F/T staff on the cheap

Hopefully that's going to change eastie.

3.3 The level of part timers’ contracted hours will be jointly reviewed locally on
a six monthly basis. Where appropriate, increased contracted hours will be
offered to reflect the hours actually worked and planned.