mrlovepantsuk wrote:we all have to wear them in our office, apparantly it is rm policy that everyone wears them.
my view is that if a driver cant see me pushing a great big red trolley he shouldn`t be on the road anyway and if I am it whilst on a path I cant see how a hi-viz jacket will save me.
Fair points but ever considered whilst on a path it might just prevent you from getting bowled over by one of your colleagues who albeitly and unwittingly is cycling on the pavement which I think is against the law.
are you saying that without a high-vis you become invisible? In certain conditions they are useful but for the main part they are just another elf 'n safety pain in the arse. Haven't you noticed that every stupid idea or ruling in RM is explained away as H &S . let's all bow down before the great god of H&S.
It's not that you invisible without one. But that you're MORE visible with a Hi-Viz (hence the name). Even in pefect visibility, you stand out from the background in a Hi-Viz.
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mrlovepantsuk wrote:we all have to wear them in our office, apparantly it is rm policy that everyone wears them.
my view is that if a driver cant see me pushing a great big red trolley he shouldn`t be on the road anyway and if I am it whilst on a path I cant see how a hi-viz jacket will save me.
Fair points but ever considered whilst on a path it might just prevent you from getting bowled over by one of your colleagues who albeitly and unwittingly is cycling on the pavement which I think is against the law.
are you saying that without a high-vis you become invisible? In certain conditions they are useful but for the main part they are just another elf 'n safety pain in the arse. Haven't you noticed that every stupid idea or ruling in RM is explained away as H &S . let's all bow down before the great god of H&S.
It's not that you invisible without one. But that you're MORE visible with a Hi-Viz (hence the name). Even in pefect visibility, you stand out from the background in a Hi-Viz.
so when we are all as MORE visible as each other - what do we do then to become EVEN MORE visible ?
The idea, isn't to become more visible than anyone else. But to provide a contrast with your environment, so you're easier to see. For example: We recently had to change back to the old yellow Hi-Vizs, for everyone who needs to go in the Yard. Because of a fatal accident, which was caused by someone's standard Hi-Viz, being too close to the colour of the trailer he was walking past (according to the investigation). Although I still don't understand why we haven't had ALL Hi-Vizs replaced with the yellow ones.
They haven't even bothered to make yellow ones, that say Manager on them. So all of the Managers who need to go into the Yard, wear normal yellow ones. It's just the Managers who stay inside all the time, that have the new Manager's Hi-Viz.
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A final point to consider regarding wearing or not wearing hi-vis vests.
If you are unfortunate enough to have an accident on duty and you were not wearing the PPE issued to you, whether it would have made a difference to the cause of the accident or not, do you not think that RM (or the other party) will use this as a reason to either not pay compensation or to pay a substantially reduced amount. Remember there are some very sharp lawyers who will argue that if you had been wearing one the accident may not have happened, and therefore you are at least partly to blame. Just think about it, unfair, yes. Unlikely, no.
amazing how millions of people walking to work every day, up and down escalators etc, don't require hi viz and yet someone dressed in red with a trolley or refelctive pouch suddenly becomes texas chain saw massacre and a menace to all that get in the way.
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Aprilaydee wrote:I wear my high viz ALLLLLLLLL the time but only really to hide my podge.
There's something on the intranet page stating that we're meant to make them last 2 years <coff>
Any PPE must be replaced as and when needed (that would include Hi-viz and cycle helmets).
Oh yes, they don't deny that and of course, employee safety is paramount... but they're meant to last 2 years...
The next time they try telling you that they have to last 2 years. Just point out that they are only designed to be washed, a MAXIMUM of 25 times! for it to last 2 years, you'd have to wash it no more than once every Month!
HiViz washing instructions.jpg
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steviemac wrote:amazing how millions of people walking to work every day, up and down escalators etc, don't require hi viz and yet someone dressed in red with a trolley or refelctive pouch suddenly becomes texas chain saw massacre and a menace to all that get in the way.
No, it's to protect you from the traffic. Although I do see your point about the reflective pouch, and red trolly.
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Aprilaydee wrote:I wear my high viz ALLLLLLLLL the time but only really to hide my podge.
There's something on the intranet page stating that we're meant to make them last 2 years <coff>
Any PPE must be replaced as and when needed (that would include Hi-viz and cycle helmets).
Oh yes, they don't deny that and of course, employee safety is paramount... but they're meant to last 2 years...
The next time they try telling you that they have to last 2 years. Just point out that they are only designed to be washed, a MAXIMUM of 25 times! for it to last 2 years, you'd have to wash it no more than once every Month!
HiViz washing instructions.jpg
I know, I do the washing in our house and have actually read the labels... firstly, I'm not doing a "special" wash to wash something that doesn't need fabric softener and secondly, it still doesn't look bloody clean even if you follow the instructions. It's like the rest of the uniform really, not fit for purpose. The polo shirts are far too thick, the women's trousers don't follow any sort of size guide...
I am with you on this one Lekker,as I have said before I can understand wearing one on a bike but for walking on the pavement its this sort of thing that hides the important work that H&S does,there was an interesting prog on telly about it last Sunday
DB1100 wrote:I am with you on this one Lekker,as I have said before I can understand wearing one on a bike but for walking on the pavement its this sort of thing that hides the important work that H&S does,there was an interesting prog on telly about it last Sunday
Panorama on Monday night (just before Ashes to Ashes.................fire up the Quattro ) had the programme about H&S.
Aprilaydee wrote:I wear my high viz ALLLLLLLLL the time but only really to hide my podge.
There's something on the intranet page stating that we're meant to make them last 2 years <coff>
Any PPE must be replaced as and when needed (that would include Hi-viz and cycle helmets).
Oh yes, they don't deny that and of course, employee safety is paramount... but they're meant to last 2 years...
The next time they try telling you that they have to last 2 years. Just point out that they are only designed to be washed, a MAXIMUM of 25 times! for it to last 2 years, you'd have to wash it no more than once every Month!
HiViz washing instructions.jpg
I know, I do the washing in our house and have actually read the labels... firstly, I'm not doing a "special" wash to wash something that doesn't need fabric softener and secondly, it still doesn't look bloody clean even if you follow the instructions. It's like the rest of the uniform really, not fit for purpose. The polo shirts are far too thick, the women's trousers don't follow any sort of size guide...
Depends on the size of your podge re the women's trousers
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Aprilaydee wrote: the women's trousers don't follow any sort of size guide...
When they ask which side you dress it should be a clue
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) had the programme about H&S.