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LTB 042/25 – OFCOM CONSULTATION ON USO REFORM

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Re: LTB 042/25 – OFCOM CONSULTATION ON USO REFORM

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Martin Walsh wrote:
22 Feb 2025, 07:39
1st class ,all parcels, all tracked and all specials will be delivered every day Monday to Saturday.

Non priority will be delivered every other day Monday to Friday.

If you do double prep then this will be removed from your duty along with other indoor tasks and given to a part timer to increase their hours up to full time.

Mondays and Tuesdays will be heavier then now so long and short attendances will no longer will be required.

The model does not work with absorption.

The call rate increases from 48-% to the high 70’s.

The work which will increase will be mainly walk sorted / sequenced items.

Each of the improved attendance patterns will in exchange for more days off work slightly lengthen the days your at work.

The true degree of the impact will need to be tested in the pilots.
“1st class ,all parcels, all tracked and all specials will be delivered every day Monday to Saturday” - they certainly will on singleton duties, as will everything as there is not a plan for these types on duties.

“Non priority will be delivered every other day Monday to Friday” - singleton duties will be delivering these items every day. Paired duties will not be delivering them every other day. Statements like this are false and destroy our confidence in the process.

“If you do double prep then this will be removed from your duty along with other indoor tasks and given to a part timer to increase their hours up to full time” - other than a possible increase in contract hours there is zero benefit for workers. One possible outcome is that both workers will spend longer outdoors on duties that cannot be completed now. Without a greater explanation you are simply inflaming the anger members feel.

“Mondays and Tuesdays will be heavier then now so long and short attendances will no longer will be required” - this implies that every day will be of equal length. The variation in shift lengths does not only affect Monday and Tuesday. Some members have a variation in shift lengths every day. Workers do not believe what you are saying.

“The model does not work with absorption” - workers have been told that absorption or lapsing doesn’t exist anymore. Everything is now workload. Of course the experiment does not work with absorption but neither does it address duties that cannot be completed.

“The call rate increases from 48-% to the high 70’s” - you need to be specific here Martin because you are referring to a specific experiment. This call rate does not reflect the workload of singleton duties or the combined duties delivered by one worker.

“The work which will increase will be mainly walk sorted / sequenced items” - this is a very specific type of work, letters. It does not mean all the work will be walk sorted or sequenced.

“Each of the improved attendance patterns will in exchange for more days off work slightly lengthen the days your at work” - condensing the working time by lengthening the duty span, resulting in additional time off, is no recompense for longer duties. This also severely limits the duty span options.

“The true degree of the impact will need to be tested in the pilots” - the impact of the regulators demands can be simulated on paper Martin. The CWU keeps on boasting about local reps already modelling the attendance patterns even though they are not part of the experiment. Members already know the impact of the CWU’s plans and it is not what they want.
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Re: LTB 042/25 – OFCOM CONSULTATION ON USO REFORM

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Martin Walsh wrote:
22 Feb 2025, 09:25
That is the model. All walks will get a delivery of 1st class , all parcels , tracked and specials 6 days every week.

Non priority items such as second class will get delivered within their normal specification apart from Saturday.

DSA items will move to D3.

The alternative delivery Monday to Friday only applies to non priority items most of it mech.
“Non priority items such as second class will get delivered within their normal specification apart from Saturday” – in other words the regulators demands and the CWU’s plan is not an alternative day delivery method.

“DSA items will move to D3” – which is not an alternative day delivery method.

“The alternative delivery Monday to Friday only applies to non priority items most of it mech” - this statement simply reinforces the belief that the CWU is carrying out the demands of the regulator. ‘Mech’ is not some lesser type of work, it is the work.
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Re: LTB 042/25 – OFCOM CONSULTATION ON USO REFORM

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What happens to part timers that don't want to increase there hours
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Re: LTB 042/25 – OFCOM CONSULTATION ON USO REFORM

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This will not work at Xmas at all double/triple mail will be impossible with over 200 tracked
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Re: LTB 042/25 – OFCOM CONSULTATION ON USO REFORM

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Playmail wrote:
22 Feb 2025, 17:06
What happens to part timers that don't want to increase there hours
Stay pt then surely
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Playmail wrote:
22 Feb 2025, 17:06
What happens to part timers that don't want to increase there hours
That's a question the CWU need to answer. Primarily Martin talks at the members as if they're full time. There are many workers who are happy with the hours they work. The CWU are convinced that the regulators demands are going to create full time jobs. There's no evidence to back up that claim.
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Re: LTB 042/25 – OFCOM CONSULTATION ON USO REFORM

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Playmail wrote:
22 Feb 2025, 17:10
This will not work at Xmas at all double/triple mail will be impossible with over 200 tracked
It certainly won't work with thousands of less postal workers. Christmas 2025 will be unrecognisable.
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Re: LTB 042/25 – OFCOM CONSULTATION ON USO REFORM

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tramssirhc wrote:
22 Feb 2025, 12:54
Martin Walsh wrote:
22 Feb 2025, 09:25
That is the model. All walks will get a delivery of 1st class , all parcels , tracked and specials 6 days every week.

Non priority items such as second class will get delivered within their normal specification apart from Saturday.

DSA items will move to D3.

The alternative delivery Monday to Friday only applies to non priority items most of it mech.
“Non priority items such as second class will get delivered within their normal specification apart from Saturday” – in other words the regulators demands and the CWU’s plan is not an alternative day delivery method.

“DSA items will move to D3” – which is not an alternative day delivery method.

“The alternative delivery Monday to Friday only applies to non priority items most of it mech” - this statement simply reinforces the belief that the CWU is carrying out the demands of the regulator. ‘Mech’ is not some lesser type of work, it is the work.
RM still haven’t said what will happen if a shitload of DTS mail hits the time limit on a Friday night. As it stands, it'll see a load of DSA and 2C being released which will get sequenced and go out for delivery on the Saturday.

DSA can't move to D3 as the spec is D5.
Playmail wrote:
22 Feb 2025, 17:10
This will not work at Xmas at all double/triple mail will be impossible with over 200 tracked
The DTS will be switched off at Xmas. It always gets switched off during Xmas Pressure
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Re: LTB 042/25 – OFCOM CONSULTATION ON USO REFORM

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tramssirhc wrote:
22 Feb 2025, 17:27
Playmail wrote:
22 Feb 2025, 17:06
What happens to part timers that don't want to increase there hours
That's a question the CWU need to answer. Primarily Martin talks at the members as if they're full time. There are many workers who are happy with the hours they work. The CWU are convinced that the regulators demands are going to create full time jobs. There's no evidence to back up that claim.
The jobs will be Sh1t DPR rounds with late finish in the evenings. Good luck getting staff for that
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Re: LTB 042/25 – OFCOM CONSULTATION ON USO REFORM

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Vr isn't good especially when this new uso method comes in means people with excellent knowledge of every area is being replaced with ppl that will last a week if most especially with the new workload we will be training new ppl week in week out. Knowledge and years and years experience is quality of service.
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Re: LTB 042/25 – OFCOM CONSULTATION ON USO REFORM

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We are one of the offices doing the unofficial trials now. We fail up to 20 walls a day to cover the precious tracked items. On the alternate days when a delivery has to go out (sometimes it is up to 3 or 4 days before the mail is cleared) there is no way on God's green earth that the deliveries staying this size can be cleared even with a 'slightly longer' attendance pattern once the call rate goes above 50-60% and as for all tracked and 1c over 2 deliveries it simply cannot be done safely in a 5-6 hour delivery day.

I don't often agree with the manner and the way the PWRFC have gone about their business and the infiltration of social media particularly annoys me as a Boomer but this thread is the most reasoned and forthright challenge to the established CWU 'cooperation' with OFCOM and RM that I have seen.

We know it won't work.

We don't want to work longer hours and walk more steps a day.

Please find an alternative solution to this mess. I suggest dropping Saturday deliveries of non priority items only and resource Saturday and Sunday as OT, scheduled attendance, weekend workers. Give us all Mon-Fri and you would find the support come back in it's thousands for your plans.
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Re: LTB 042/25 – OFCOM CONSULTATION ON USO REFORM

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jessicarabbit wrote:
23 Feb 2025, 08:52


Please find an alternative solution to this mess. I suggest dropping Saturday deliveries of non priority items only and resource Saturday and Sunday as OT, scheduled attendance, weekend workers. Give us all Mon-Fri and you would find the support come back in it's thousands for your plans.
Absolutely, that would be incredibly easy to implement as opposed to this utter shitshow, iirc though the subject cropped up a while ago and apparently dropping Saturday's would only save 50 million as opposed to the desired 300, maybe add some 9 day fortnights into the mix, must be a viable step in the right direction without going full nuclear from day one.
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Re: LTB 042/25 – OFCOM CONSULTATION ON USO REFORM

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jessicarabbit wrote:
23 Feb 2025, 08:52
We are one of the offices doing the unofficial trials now. We fail up to 20 walls a day to cover the precious tracked items. On the alternate days when a delivery has to go out (sometimes it is up to 3 or 4 days before the mail is cleared) there is no way on God's green earth that the deliveries staying this size can be cleared even with a 'slightly longer' attendance pattern once the call rate goes above 50-60% and as for all tracked and 1c over 2 deliveries it simply cannot be done safely in a 5-6 hour delivery day.

I don't often agree with the manner and the way the PWRFC have gone about their business and the infiltration of social media particularly annoys me as a Boomer but this thread is the most reasoned and forthright challenge to the established CWU 'cooperation' with OFCOM and RM that I have seen.

We know it won't work.

We don't want to work longer hours and walk more steps a day.

Please find an alternative solution to this mess. I suggest dropping Saturday deliveries of non priority items only and resource Saturday and Sunday as OT, scheduled attendance, weekend workers. Give us all Mon-Fri and you would find the support come back in it's thousands for your plans.
Thank you for your support. Please feel free to share what's being written.

The reality is that the CWU is a partner in the implementation of Ofcom's attack on workers jobs. We won't trust the CWU when they declare that the experiments are limited to those they have agreed only to hear that there are 'unofficial trials'. Workers know full well that the regulators demands are being implemented in more places. Members are already highlighting the employment of jobs to assist the wholesale implementation of the Ofcom plan.

We are past the point of asking for a different approach to the regulators demands. Contact your CWU officials and tell them you do not support the union's plans. Tell them that they do what you tell them, not the other way round.
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Re: LTB 042/25 – OFCOM CONSULTATION ON USO REFORM

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ted_e_bear wrote:
23 Feb 2025, 09:18
jessicarabbit wrote:
23 Feb 2025, 08:52


Please find an alternative solution to this mess. I suggest dropping Saturday deliveries of non priority items only and resource Saturday and Sunday as OT, scheduled attendance, weekend workers. Give us all Mon-Fri and you would find the support come back in it's thousands for your plans.
Absolutely, that would be incredibly easy to implement as opposed to this utter shitshow, iirc though the subject cropped up a while ago and apparently dropping Saturday's would only save 50 million as opposed to the desired 300, maybe add some 9 day fortnights into the mix, must be a viable step in the right direction without going full nuclear from day one.
Let's be clear. This is not about saving money. It's about the universal service obligation making a profit that can be paid to shareholders. The regulator is defending capitalism not protecting consumers and competition. If daily deliveries made the desired profit the regulator would demand daily deliveries.

The CWU is defending profit making for dividend payments and not doing what a sensible trade union would do - demand renationalisation, scrap the regulator and save members jobs.
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Re: LTB 042/25 – OFCOM CONSULTATION ON USO REFORM

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scoobydo79 wrote:
22 Feb 2025, 20:15
tramssirhc wrote:
22 Feb 2025, 17:27
Playmail wrote:
22 Feb 2025, 17:06
What happens to part timers that don't want to increase there hours
That's a question the CWU need to answer. Primarily Martin talks at the members as if they're full time. There are many workers who are happy with the hours they work. The CWU are convinced that the regulators demands are going to create full time jobs. There's no evidence to back up that claim.
The jobs will be Sh1t DPR rounds with late finish in the evenings. Good luck getting staff for that
We do not have to continue with that model. Tell your CWU officials that you do not support the CWU's plans. Remind them they work for you and do what you tell them, not the other way around.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren